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zipplewrath

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2. 1st amendment

Fri Aug 31, 2018, 09:23 AM

Aug 2018

Although much of what you suggest might be able to be accomplished by treating them as "just another" non-profit organization, ultimately you'll have some troubles because of religious freedom concepts of the 1st amendment. Where I've always thought they crossed over into "just another nonprofit" territory is when they try to go into various endeavors like running schools, hospitals, orphanages, etc. Once they go there, that activity isn't "religious" anymore and they are subject to all the same regulations as anyone else. A confessional is a religious act. Being an accredited elementary school is not.

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A Proposal: Remove All Privileges of Religious Organizations that Exceed [View all] MineralMan Aug 2018 OP

K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #1

1st amendment zipplewrath Aug 2018 #2

Special treatment of religious organizations also violates the 1st Amendment. MineralMan Aug 2018 #3

You're oversimplifying a complex issue. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #8

Is polygamy legal? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #4

Nope zipplewrath Aug 2018 #5

"Sacraments" are irrelevant. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #9

Hardly irrelevant zipplewrath Sep 2018 #10

So you think our objection to confessionals being exempt from mandatory reporting laws is... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #11

Roughly zipplewrath Sep 2018 #12

Fascinating. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #13

What reality? zipplewrath Sep 2018 #14

The one where there's a public interest to placing conditions on confessional cofidentiality. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #15

I won't pretend to try to mind-read your reasoning on it qazplm135 Sep 2018 #17

It's a good thing you don't have to. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #18

can the sarcasm qazplm135 Sep 2018 #20

No. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #22

I never effing said anyone qazplm135 Sep 2018 #23

Read. The. Thread. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #24

lol qazplm135 Sep 2018 #25

Sorta my point zipplewrath Sep 2018 #19

it is absolutely not simply about qazplm135 Sep 2018 #21

Tax exemptions for churches was always a lousy idea. Girard442 Aug 2018 #6

501c(3) entities are exempt from taxes. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #36

I agree. Nitram Aug 2018 #7

Can't agree with 2 qazplm135 Sep 2018 #16

Exemptions from mandatory reporting of crimes should have valid reasons. trotsky Sep 2018 #28

Because qazplm135 Sep 2018 #29

Here's the problem with that: MineralMan Sep 2018 #31

they could qazplm135 Sep 2018 #38

In Pennsylvania, some children were given gold crosses to wear MineralMan Sep 2018 #40

yet some studies show that the recidivism qazplm135 Sep 2018 #41

Actually, no. I don't believe that any such privilege should MineralMan Sep 2018 #42

the privilege doesn't put anyone "above the law" qazplm135 Sep 2018 #44

To your point: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #32

no it's both concept and reality qazplm135 Sep 2018 #39

And absent the privilege, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #43

well duh of course it probably would not occur qazplm135 Sep 2018 #45

"it is ostensibly the religious figure will convince the wrongdoer to turn themselves in" trotsky Sep 2018 #46

A nonsense question. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #50

It wasn't a question. It was a request. trotsky Sep 2018 #59

Separation of church and state should mean at140 Sep 2018 #26

Yup. MineralMan Sep 2018 #27

Agreed on #1. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #30

So what? Your agreement is not my goal in any way. MineralMan Sep 2018 #33

TIFs are basically excusing corporations from paying taxes. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #34

Completely irrelevant to this discussion. MineralMan Sep 2018 #35

Always best to avoid what cannot be refuted. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #37

I understand your need to tell people what is best. Permanut Sep 2018 #47

Thank you for being understanding. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #51

lol Lordquinton Sep 2018 #55

Trees in the red oak group take two growing seasons Mariana Sep 2018 #48

Whataboutism Lordquinton Sep 2018 #49

Perhaps you should ask someone about this response of yours. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #52

You are technically correct Lordquinton Sep 2018 #54

Thank you. Can we build on that? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #56

It's really not relevant though Lordquinton Sep 2018 #57

Because churches are 501c(3) entities guillaumeb Sep 2018 #58

So the topic is churches and you say "Whatabout walmart" Lordquinton Sep 2018 #60

No, the topic is churches, and exemptions. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #61

Paying Taxes Has Nothing Whatsoever to Do With The Practice of Religion dlk Sep 2018 #53