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cbayer

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30. I agree that they are extremely well organized and powerful, but, as you note

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 05:20 PM

Jan 2015

they have also made some drastic changes in the past. While much of the impetus for change was external, there has also been internal pressure.

I support what this man is doing, as well as the groups of mormons that are pushing for female ordination and GLBT rights.

I think they will change again, though it is like turning the titanic.

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Mormon Church Threatens Critic With Excommunication [View all] JDDavis Jan 2015 OP

Apostasy? He actually tries to persuade people to stay cbayer Jan 2015 #1

Apostasy is not about church membership. merrily Jan 2015 #55

Churches don't conform to your ideals. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #86

Time to give up the fiction of the church edhopper Jan 2015 #2

People's right to believe and the "reality" of those beliefs cbayer Jan 2015 #4

How dare I edhopper Jan 2015 #6

You can question it all you want. I question it and reject it as well. cbayer Jan 2015 #8

What do you call believing edhopper Jan 2015 #9

I call it a belief that effects me not one iota. cbayer Jan 2015 #10

I admit I only read your post edhopper Jan 2015 #14

Unfortunately I can't listen to the TED talk, but I will at cbayer Jan 2015 #15

That's probably true about the two groups edhopper Jan 2015 #19

The missionaries are interesting. cbayer Jan 2015 #20

I plan to edhopper Jan 2015 #21

I was really, really luck to snap tickets right after it opened in NYC. cbayer Jan 2015 #22

The Mormon Church is one of the biggest funders of those who favor anti-LGBT laws. merrily Jan 2015 #58

The Mormons also have a growing pro-GLBT civil rights movement that cbayer Jan 2015 #68

Mormon individuals, yes. An example of that is what this thread is about. Not the Mormon church. merrily Jan 2015 #69

Change happens with individuals. cbayer Jan 2015 #72

My post was about the current positions and acts of the Church, not its individual dissidents. merrily Jan 2015 #80

If the position of the church changes, a new church will be born. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #70

I don't agree. The Mormon church actually has a history of making cbayer Jan 2015 #71

If you're right, we might both live to find that out. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #77

I hope that we both will. cbayer Jan 2015 #78

The mormon church has a history of doing that when the government holds a gun to its head. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #91

If the mormon church is wrong about this, then it cannot pretend to hold revealed truth. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #89

Keep pretending non-belief and XYZ belief belong 'on the table' together. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #24

Just because someone has a "right" to an idea, doesn't mean that idea is sacrosanct. Major Nikon Jan 2015 #25

My objection here was not on calling bullshit on the ideas. cbayer Jan 2015 #29

The real world has coffee. Infinitely better. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #88

Bull shit they're equal. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #87

The first rule of the Magic Underwear Club... Man from Pickens Jan 2015 #3

No edhopper Jan 2015 #5

IMO, a religion's requires secrecy from its members about religious beliefs and merrily Jan 2015 #56

Excellent talk. xfundy Jan 2015 #7

You are most welcome. JDDavis Jan 2015 #11

What events of the week from the LDS church? I must have missed that. cbayer Jan 2015 #13

An event that is, basically, what I suggested a long time ago, and that you attacked me about. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #26

Doubtful Major Nikon Jan 2015 #28

I agree that they are extremely well organized and powerful, but, as you note cbayer Jan 2015 #30

Yet they usually come across as nice friendly people Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #16

I'm an extremist live and let live supporter. A stretch perhaps, in real life. pinto Jan 2015 #18

Please see Reply 58. merrily Jan 2015 #61

You weren't banned from A&A for 'stepping out of line', and you know it. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #27

Really? I think calling out the bullies, bigots and cyber stalkers was too much for some. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #31

Ah, yes. okasha Jan 2015 #32

Almost lost his standing there till he was reined in by the bishops. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #33

THIS is the kind of shit that got you banned. Right here. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #45

How was it a hoot, my friend? Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #47

You presume a lot. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #44

No, you caved! Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #48

Who is 'they'? AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #50

Maybe you should be more concerned with your own behavior Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #51

"I was excommunicated for doing what you tried to do." AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #53

Why would I compare myself to you. We are not alike. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #60

You can't even go two posts in a thread fork without contradicting yourself. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #63

I'm wasting your time? LOL Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #65

I hope the entirety of DU is reading this thread, and your posts in particular, very carefully. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #66

I hope so too. Your obsession with me and distorting what I said is quite extraordinary Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #67

There was zero distortion, and you know it.. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #73

Total distortion born of total obsession Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #74

I can't distort other people's posts. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #75

Plenty of other people came to the same conclusion? LOL Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #76

Nobody smeared you in that thread. You did it all yourself. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #34

Starboard Tack has been blocked from the Atheist and Agnostic group: beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #35

Thank you so much for your diligence, BMUS Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #36

. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #37

LOL. Didn't realize Starboard Tack was ex-communicated from th A&A Group. I'm out of that loop. pinto Jan 2015 #38

Don't care. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #39

Whoa, did you miss the point or what. BMUS, I think I ought to step out of this 3rd party side talk. pinto Jan 2015 #40

Must have. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #41

Where is the rewrite BEMUS? Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #42

'into the BS'. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #46

Thanks for the repost. I stand by that, silly as it may be. I made my point. Others misconstrued it. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #49

And yet you spew anti-SSM talking points, that you still 'stand by'. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #52

Except I support same sex marriage and always have. I support all consensual marriage Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #54

No, you don't support consensual marriage. You just defended a post where you attacked people AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #57

Oops sorry! Did I attack bigots who want to tell me who or what I'm allowed to marry? Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #62

Your 'point' perfectly overlaps with one of the classic right wing anti-same-sex-marriage talking AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #64

People can get blocked from DU groups because of who they marry? stone space Mar 2015 #84

They mostly get blocked for their assholish behaviour. beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #85

The #1 reason given in the post you quoted was marriage. stone space Mar 2015 #90

Wrong again. It was lying by omission. beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #92

Why does any DU group care who any of us marries? (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #93

When did you stop beating your wife? beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #94

Did you even read the #1 reason you posted? stone space Mar 2015 #95

Nobody's buying what you're selling dude. beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #96

Why do you even care any of us marry? stone space Mar 2015 #97

My you think highly of yourself. I actually don't give a fuck about you at all. beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #98

But you do give a fuck about patrolling the marriages of others. stone space Mar 2015 #99

If it were up to me he would have been banned from DU for his homophobic posts. beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #100

You posted his marriage as reason #1. (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #101

It's because of his marriage *SQUAWK* beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #102

That group needs an ejector seat. stone space Mar 2015 #103

Certainly not the only one. Htom Sirveaux Jan 2015 #12

I appreciated the guy's talk a lot. Found some of it condescending and paternalistic. pinto Jan 2015 #17

What parts did you find "condescending and paternalistic"? JDDavis Jan 2015 #23

Many religions are paternalistic and a hell of a lot worse than condescending to merrily Jan 2015 #59

Lucky!!! Iggo Jan 2015 #43

I see that Mark Charles got banned again. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #81

He's never gone for long and he is getting better and better faking out the people cbayer Mar 2015 #82

You know I really thought he was behaving. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #83