If you cannot disprove the existence of God, or prove the existence of God

[Brettongarcia]

191. Pointing that out to them, just the way you have done here, is one very useful thing to do.

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Sure, the arguments go on and on. But with a million atheists and ex-preachers helping? We can cover a million arguments in a single day.

We've just started with two good counterarguments, here and now.

Thanks for your help; good luck!

ADDENDUM:

Suppose we ask why God does not prove that he exists - just by showing up in person. God showing us, by his miraculous appearance, and other huge miracles, that he is real, and powerful. This would seem to be an obvious solution to our doubts. But preachers don't want us to ask this. And one of the many sermons used by preachers to try to “answer” this, is their idea that God does not show himself in the world in any obvious way - because he is “mysterious.”

God does not obviously show himself, because God is “MYSTERIOUS”? Jesus told his followers to be “wise as serpents”; or as we might translate this, “sly as snakes.” This is curious; since normally snakes are associated with the devil. But in any case? The preachers who claim to follow the Bible are indeed, quite sly and snake-like in their arguments; their sermons. Which all turn out to be based merely on sophistical or dishonest logic. For example: does the “mysterious” sermon really hold up?

Here as usual our preachers have found PARTS of the Bible to work from; but they do not really honor ALL of the Bible, or see it all. To be sure, PARTS of the Bible do mention the mystery of God. And PARTS seem to show God hiding himself, being “mysterious,” and not obvious, visible. But? Hundreds of OTHER parts show God being rather obvious. And just showing up, visibly, and in person. To show himself, and talk to us; to work giant miracles. And in this way simply prove that he is real. Adam and Eve, Noah, and many others, see God live and in person. Other parts of the Bible to be sure, contradict that; other parts say that no one has ever seen God himself. But this just shows that the Bible is at best, contradictory on this subject, even in the New Testament. Again and again in the Bible, God does show up, live and in person and working huge miracles; to help convince us he is real. In the BULK of the Bible in fact, God is not so obscure or mysterious or “invisible”; not at all.

And are the people like Adam and Noah convinced by that? Yes, they are.

So the “God is mysterious” sermon or homily is not honest, or true to the entire Bible itself. And as we will see, neither are the dozens of other sermons that try to excuse God not showing himself on other grounds. Like the “faith” sermon, etc.. Nor, likewise, the other sermon: the one that next insists that people might not be convinced even if God did show up, working huge wonders or “signs” in our own time today. The fact is that when God himself showed up, he convinced.

Preachers to be sure have, will come back at us, with a thousand sly objections. To as the Bible said “whitewash” the failure of their earlier sermons, their religion.

But suppose we begin answering their sly responses. One by one.