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AtheistCrusader

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170. Well, I am mostly speaking to the abrahamic traditions.

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:21 AM

Apr 2014

Such tradition has claimed historical precedent of god revealing itself directly to humanity. Granted, this is limited to the abrahamic god.

I don't think it's an unrealistic expectation.
But I am incapable of faith. Literally incapable. I need something. Some shred of evidence that I can test. And this applies to all things, not just religious faith. Engineering, flight, electrical systems, structural things, sociology, there is no limit to what I do not advance, unverified, some element of faith without critical examination.

Character flaw perhaps? But the implication is that I was created. If I was created, I was created in that manner. This is what I am, not what I choose to be. So if such a being created me so, AND withholds critical evidence for its existence, it cannot hope me to extend it credit, unless it is attempting to torture me for some purpose.

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If you cannot disprove the existence of God, or prove the existence of God [View all] Peacetrain Apr 2014 OP

While I agree with you, I think you are missing the point to the Religion Forum nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #1

Nope, just stating my belief system.. Peacetrain Apr 2014 #2

Exactly what do you see as the point of the religion forum, el bryanto? cbayer Apr 2014 #5

Bottom line is, people are going to talk about what they want to talk about. trotsky Apr 2014 #6

It depends on who you are el_bryanto Apr 2014 #33

Sure, some people most definitely want that chance. cbayer Apr 2014 #40

It's harmful phil89 Apr 2014 #77

OTOH, there may be both plusses and minuses to being cbayer Apr 2014 #79

"Perhaps is it your goal to "save" people?" phil89 Apr 2014 #93

Hmm, that whole saving thing sounds so familiar. cbayer Apr 2014 #94

So maybe atheism is ironically the latest and truest expression of God; would that be bad? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #141

Of all the inane things I have read in this group, this is possibly the most inane ever. cbayer Apr 2014 #148

Or more politely, "paradoxical" or "ironic"? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #149

We should post a poll of them all and let the Group decide. rug Apr 2014 #158

That could be really entertaining, but this particular one really takes the cake, imo. cbayer Apr 2014 #161

Here's one rational explanation Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #182

And ye shall be saved!!! cbayer Apr 2014 #184

I'm on a mission from god. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #200

it is so tough for us mundane people to meet your very lofty standards. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #297

Looks like that post went over your head. trotsky Apr 2014 #83

K & big R to you Peacetrain. cbayer Apr 2014 #3

cbayer, I have no way of proving God exists.. Peacetrain Apr 2014 #21

I never engage in the existence of god debate. cbayer Apr 2014 #48

Ah, cunning deployment of Luke Russert's Equivalency Theorem... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #4

I just cited this post to a Libertarian friend. immoderate Apr 2014 #80

I'm not trying to disprove god Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #7

Would never ask you too.. Peacetrain Apr 2014 #16

Seemed like you were making those the options Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #24

Nope Gobllinmonger.. not at all Peacetrain Apr 2014 #31

Did someone here say they were trying to, or could disprove the existence of one or many gods? AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #8

Why yes, it was the dreaded.... trotsky Apr 2014 #11

Damn that guy. He's so quick, you can't even see his posts zip in and out of the thread. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #15

If you cannot disprove the existence of Sarah Palin's god, or prove the existence of yours... trotsky Apr 2014 #9

Are you now, or have you ever been, a witch? AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #10

I cannot prove or disprove that accusation. n/t trotsky Apr 2014 #13

Which is an excellent reason to keep her the hell away from political power. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #18

Palin can believe she wants to.. but her beliefs stop at the end of her nose Peacetrain Apr 2014 #12

Quit telling others what they can or cannot do. trotsky Apr 2014 #14

ahhhh must have hit a nerve... Peacetrain Apr 2014 #17

Yes, it appears I did! trotsky Apr 2014 #19

trotsky it really is okay Peacetrain Apr 2014 #23

If religion was, as you seem to think, just "beliefs that stop at your nose" Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #32

That is more than okay with me to point that out.. I am not saying Peacetrain Apr 2014 #39

You do understand that... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #55

Like when for example the RCC acts to promote laws that discriminate against LGBTQ people? Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #60

Did I say it never happens? Of course... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #63

Did I say that's all there is? No, but you are acting like that is what I said. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #67

Well, that brings up the question of just what do we... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #71

Stand up and clearly voice opposition to what is wrong would be a start. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #75

So totally agree, Peacetrain. trotsky Apr 2014 #50

Interesting.. Peacetrain Apr 2014 #59

Again, totally agreed. trotsky Apr 2014 #64

Its okay.. it really is Peacetrain Apr 2014 #66

Agreed once more. trotsky Apr 2014 #74

trotsky,I don't think I said Peacetrain Apr 2014 #97

You're trying very hard to have it both ways. trotsky Apr 2014 #114

No trotsky.. you read what you read into something Peacetrain Apr 2014 #133

Well, the important thing is you've found a way to feel superior. trotsky Apr 2014 #142

No, she's simply calling you on mistating her position. rug Apr 2014 #159

Ah, but WHOSE nerve is the question... AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #20

Its okay.. I never ask people to prove their belief system Peacetrain Apr 2014 #22

All I know about Sara Palin's religion is that I don't want to be baptized into it. (nt) stone space May 2014 #275

Yelling nil desperandum Apr 2014 #25

No one has the right to cause harm to others with their Peacetrain Apr 2014 #27

Is using ones personal belief system as the basis for legislation and policy harmful? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #30

absolutely can be sometimes.. many times..most of the time Peacetrain Apr 2014 #35

Then you do see the problem of false equivalency in your OP's assertion? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #37

nope none at all.. no one can prove or disprove.. Peacetrain Apr 2014 #42

Who is trying to disprove anything? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #54

Ahh CH... Declarative statement Peacetrain Apr 2014 #56

I really have no idea what your point is. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #85

Interesting. trotsky Apr 2014 #53

they can believe what ever they want.. and live it as they choose Peacetrain Apr 2014 #57

Again, they could argue the same thing. trotsky Apr 2014 #58

Of course they can.. they have a right to believe that.. and live it Peacetrain Apr 2014 #61

So now we come to making laws. trotsky Apr 2014 #73

If the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven... gcomeau Apr 2014 #26

If the existence of other life outside our planet cannot be proven or disproven... cbayer Apr 2014 #28

You aren't understanding the concept of falsifiability. gcomeau Apr 2014 #34

I can't be expected to understand it, being dumb and all. cbayer Apr 2014 #41

I neither said nor implied anything of the kind. gcomeau Apr 2014 #44

No, but you were very condescending. cbayer Apr 2014 #46

I'm fascinated... gcomeau Apr 2014 #47

Ah, more condescension. How's that working for you? cbayer Apr 2014 #49

About as well as your mind reading powers are working for you I'd say. gcomeau Apr 2014 #51

The internet is only as hostile as those who populate it. cbayer Apr 2014 #52

That would appear to be... gcomeau Apr 2014 #65

It certainly could be and the lack of other cues in internet communication cbayer Apr 2014 #69

You mean... gcomeau Apr 2014 #78

Perhaps, or a mere "I am sorry that came across as condescending cbayer Apr 2014 #81

IOW, you require an apology no matter what the other person says. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #165

You also failed to genuflect. n/t trotsky Apr 2014 #88

:-D -eom gcomeau Apr 2014 #92

Having been caught in her own gotcha, the victim mode gambit is now in play. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #62

Ha! trotsky Apr 2014 #95

the question of the existence of life on other planets can be stated as a falsifiable theory Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #38

So how would one disprove the existence of ET life? DanTex Apr 2014 #129

You don't, you falsify the theory that there is no life outside of our planet. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #130

So that means that only one of the two theories is falsifiable, right? DanTex Apr 2014 #131

This is why the requirement of "falsifiability" is silly and misguided skepticscott Apr 2014 #132

I agree with you, to an extent. DanTex Apr 2014 #134

It is the negative. Note you could try Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #144

Well, hypothetically, I don't see why there couldn't be "evidence of god". DanTex Apr 2014 #153

Really? How would disappeared people be evidence of god? Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #175

You got me thinking there Warren Starboard Tack May 2014 #299

It doesn't matter Peacetrain Apr 2014 #29

Ummm... gcomeau Apr 2014 #36

No you are right about that.. if someone is dismissive or you Peacetrain Apr 2014 #43

Well this was a fun thread.. and I am off to lunch.. Peacetrain Apr 2014 #45

What are you defining as god? elias7 Apr 2014 #68

we all have a plan we live our lives by Peacetrain Apr 2014 #70

So what do you mean by deity? elias7 Apr 2014 #89

:) Peacetrain Apr 2014 #96

Well, this morning when I got to work, my SQL server was down, so AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #154

But isn't that exactly the point he is making? cbayer Apr 2014 #72

It is easy to disprove many specific ideas of God. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #84

Oh, please. That's just simplistic hogwash. cbayer Apr 2014 #87

Hey? Isn't calling atheist ideas "simplistic hogwash" hurtful? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #139

Hey! That's not an "atheist idea". That's just your idea. cbayer Apr 2014 #147

SOME atheists do not say there is no God; they perhaps merely are disinterested in one Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #151

There is no right, elias7 Apr 2014 #90

Agree. There probably is an answer, but we will never know it. cbayer Apr 2014 #91

We could know. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #156

Someone posted something here the other day that I found very intriguing. cbayer Apr 2014 #160

Many (I would risk saying 'most') caricatures of gods demand some form of allegiance or faith. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #166

Well, that's what the faith part is all about, isn't it. cbayer Apr 2014 #167

Well, I am mostly speaking to the abrahamic traditions. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #170

I believe that you are incapable of faith. cbayer Apr 2014 #172

Totally agree. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #174

Meh, I don't think the bible should ever be taken literally and reject cbayer Apr 2014 #176

Becasue I want to know if it exists. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #177

But you will never know, imo. cbayer Apr 2014 #178

Certain religions make very precise claims about the nature of the universe. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #179

Why are you so intent on causing the collapse of religion? cbayer Apr 2014 #180

Because their faith doesn't stay with them. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #181

Well certainly you are well within your rights to object to anyone cbayer Apr 2014 #183

I don't think there's any equivalency there at all. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #186

The religious right is losing ground, imo. edited to avoid starting another subthread. cbayer Apr 2014 #189

Oh no. Much longer ago than that. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #190

Ok, I think we are talking about two different waves. cbayer Apr 2014 #192

Do you really consider an equivalence between passing a law based on a religious tenet, and me AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #188

But if God exists, and wanted us to believe in him? Just showing himself would do it. Brettongarcia May 2014 #203

If there IS a supernatural god AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #155

I don't necessarily know if that's true. cbayer Apr 2014 #157

Said being could make it clear to us that it has many forms. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #164

Why might it even bother. You may be no more than an ant in an ant pile. cbayer Apr 2014 #168

Most of those claims of evidence/messengers occured long before I was born. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #171

I whole heartedly disagree with the premise Peregrine Apr 2014 #76

Yes this edhopper Apr 2014 #86

Ahem gcomeau Apr 2014 #126

But their vague God is demonstrably not the Biblical one. Who constantly demands "proof"s of himself Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #143

There is *always* an excuse. gcomeau Apr 2014 #146

Then God says "Put me to the test" in Mal. 3.10; "test everything" (1 THess. 5.21?) Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #152

Uh huh. gcomeau Apr 2014 #162

But 1) there is much in God that seems clearly outlined; things not so "mysterious" Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #185

Well sure, there are hundreds of things gcomeau Apr 2014 #187

Pointing that out to them, just the way you have done here, is one very useful thing to do. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #191

One thing you can do is to realize that objective proof of God existence or non-existence ladjf Apr 2014 #82

Seems we CAN prove the non-existence of God. In "What if God's Existence Were Proven," recentDU post Brettongarcia May 2014 #307

Answer two questions - demwing Apr 2014 #98

I for one will be really interested in watching this thread Peacetrain Apr 2014 #99

A hiccup? demwing Apr 2014 #100

That is assuming that consciousness edhopper Apr 2014 #101

tests for self awareness in non humans have been passed by a surprising variety of animals. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #104

Excellent. demwing Apr 2014 #106

what deity is required? Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #109

That's true, and has nothing to do with my post demwing Apr 2014 #112

ok, then your post is gibberish. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #123

Did that make you feel better? demwing Apr 2014 #128

Perhaps it's an unfair question demwing Apr 2014 #105

We don't have a complete answer edhopper Apr 2014 #110

You're right, that's a God of the Gaps argument demwing Apr 2014 #111

Okay edhopper Apr 2014 #116

"And if you don't see the relevance of the questions, feel 100% free to not answer them " merrily Apr 2014 #140

awareness of the body is not self awareness Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #124

Well, that depends on who is writing the definition demwing Apr 2014 #196

I think the source of life on this planet can be satisfactorily explained by evolution. cbayer Apr 2014 #102

Well that is a common misconception. Evolution does not provide an explanation for the origin Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #107

I don't think evolution explains the source of life at all demwing Apr 2014 #108

Your question is very interesting to me. cbayer Apr 2014 #113

Have you seen this video? demwing Apr 2014 #115

I can't currently watch videos. cbayer Apr 2014 #118

Sorry - here's a quick breakdown demwing Apr 2014 #121

Sounds very cool and I will put it aside to watch later. cbayer Apr 2014 #145

"I've also had times when I wished I was more mediocre" trotsky Apr 2014 #122

Oh, Trots, you have no idea the BURDEN of PERFECTION Heddi Apr 2014 #193

It's tough being you. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #194

Ah, the argument from personal incredulity. trotsky Apr 2014 #117

Ok, time for me to do some school work demwing Apr 2014 #119

When we talk about the source of life, we have to limit the talk to the life that we know ... Jim__ Apr 2014 #136

These are great answers, Jim_ demwing Apr 2014 #197

I though you were going to edhopper Apr 2014 #198

What I wrote in post 119: demwing May 2014 #202

Oh edhopper May 2014 #224

The only thing I would disagree with is that I don't know that there is any inevitability about ... Jim__ Apr 2014 #199

Improbability demwing May 2014 #268

Sorry to hear that you are having health problems. I hope everything is alright now. Jim__ May 2014 #270

No need for an eternal past demwing May 2014 #273

OK. I don't believe we have established that life is inevitable. Jim__ May 2014 #293

I'm not sure we need to demwing May 2014 #305

Given that we are not sure of the path taken to the origin of life on earth ... Jim__ May 2014 #309

when a personis dismissive Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #103

+1 rug Apr 2014 #120

I might make an attempt to challenge and/or educate them as to why this constitutes cbayer Apr 2014 #150

First come up with a definition of "God" that we can all agree upon... Flying Squirrel Apr 2014 #125

Well FS that is impossible.. Peacetrain Apr 2014 #137

Anyone can tailor the definition of God to fit the outcome they want. Kablooie May 2014 #328

The fact that no one has proven anything either way does not weigh evenly on both sides. merrily Apr 2014 #127

I guess you are talking to me.. Peacetrain Apr 2014 #135

I responded with my general thoughts on the OP, but I was not merrily Apr 2014 #138

Actually, this is not true. I prove so-called "negatives" all the time. stone space May 2014 #271

There is not a full-sized elephant in my pocket. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #272

People prove negatives all the time. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #274

How much is A-2A? edhopper May 2014 #278

Wicked Awesome.... RedRoses323 Apr 2014 #163

I dsimiss your premise. Iggo Apr 2014 #169

Do you mean by that that you think you can prove or disprove god? cbayer Apr 2014 #173

"Act of Reparation?" notes that if you can't prove God ... then believers are wrong too. Brettongarcia May 2014 #204

Er, yeah. That's the whole point of the OP, imo. cbayer May 2014 #210

Now worded a little more unequivocally though: firm believers in God are simply wrong Brettongarcia May 2014 #215

Firm disbelievers are equally wrong. cbayer May 2014 #218

But 1) many people here object to the premise: that God cannot be proved, or disproved. Brettongarcia May 2014 #237

Atheism doesn't claim there is no god phil89 May 2014 #352

You also cannot disprove the existence of god in the form of a monkey, or in the form of a pig, or DrewFlorida Apr 2014 #195

Interesting..ahhh.. Peacetrain May 2014 #206

How in the hell did such a blindingly obvious logical fallacy get to 200 posts? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #201

Maybe it has appeal based on what people would like to believe el_bryanto May 2014 #205

Do we ignore each other? Peacetrain May 2014 #208

You have to look at it from an Atheist point of view - or the point of view of some Atheists el_bryanto May 2014 #209

I see what you are saying. Peacetrain May 2014 #212

Disagreeing with, or arguing with someone, even sans decorum, is not *force*. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #217

No one is saying do not argue, or press your point if different Peacetrain May 2014 #222

That's because it is not intellectually honest to weight proving and disproving god the same. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #223

AC you keep missing my point.. you want to Peacetrain May 2014 #227

You bring up a really important point that I have been mulling over the last 2 days. cbayer May 2014 #228

There is no 'atheist tribe'. If there is, I am not aware of it, and did not recieve my invitation. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #230

Duck!! cbayer May 2014 #235

Without a tribe to identify with, your point is meaningless. Try again. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #236

We must have been on the same wave length today Peacetrain May 2014 #232

That's a nice thought, because I hold you in high regard, cbayer May 2014 #233

cbayer, have you ever read Vonneguts Cats Cradle. Peacetrain May 2014 #238

I read it long, long ago and may need to read it again. cbayer May 2014 #239

Its been a very long time for me also since I read his works Peacetrain May 2014 #241

Fear of the other - that's exactly it. cbayer May 2014 #243

My guess is cbayer that is where hazing has its beginnings Peacetrain May 2014 #245

Some of that is hazing and some of it is more like a loyalty oath. cbayer May 2014 #249

A lot of it is loyalty oath Peacetrain May 2014 #251

Ah, some of my Canadian friends tell great stories about "Newfies". cbayer May 2014 #261

Keep your fingers crossed! Peacetrain May 2014 #263

I will, and I wish you many travels in your future cbayer May 2014 #265

I guess I need to get going Peacetrain May 2014 #266

I don't need to disprove god. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #229

I do not have to prove anything Peacetrain May 2014 #231

Hey, welcome to the club. I see you are an athiest too! AtheistCrusader May 2014 #234

You have a tendency to broad brush the religious communities.. Peacetrain May 2014 #240

You are wrong on so many counts. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #244

laws being passed good and bad have nothing to do with Peacetrain May 2014 #246

Yeah, keep your fingers in your ears and chanting NANANANANAAA I CAN'T HEAR YOU. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #248

I have never said anything, but everyone has a right to believe as they choose Peacetrain May 2014 #252

So we have no argument then. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #253

I can't help you.. I am not Catholic Peacetrain May 2014 #256

Did I say you are catholic? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #258

Those aren't atheists. Those are anti-theists. cbayer May 2014 #213

No. No. No. And I can tolerate *you*. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #216

Interesting, I missed this posts Peacetrain May 2014 #254

Boy, you just 'read' shit that other people don't say all the time don't you? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #257

Maybe we are posting at cross purposes... Peacetrain May 2014 #260

A misunderstanding would explain a great many things. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #262

I think it is the nature of discussion boards Peacetrain May 2014 #264

Broaching the subject with people who by and large, base their worldview in reason, with a logical f AtheistCrusader May 2014 #214

How would you suggest it be phrased then - to communicate that idea without el_bryanto May 2014 #221

Maybe it is something that interests people Peacetrain May 2014 #207

What do you find wrong with it? cbayer May 2014 #211

Wrapped in a logical fallacy. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #219

I edited my response to you here. cbayer May 2014 #220

Do N-Rays exist? edhopper May 2014 #225

They are different things Ed Peacetrain May 2014 #242

Special pleading... Act_of_Reparation May 2014 #247

That is my point Peacetrain May 2014 #250

?! AtheistCrusader May 2014 #259

O_O Act_of_Reparation May 2014 #267

Well belief in god is easily proven edhopper May 2014 #269

Once again here we go Peacetrain May 2014 #289

I understand you point about belief edhopper May 2014 #290

Ed show me where I ever said that.. Peacetrain May 2014 #292

I thought that was what you meant by edhopper May 2014 #295

Have a good one Ed Peacetrain May 2014 #296

I love Rhubarb edhopper May 2014 #298

Me, too! stone space May 2014 #314

Religious beliefs have content. enki23 May 2014 #226

The religious privilege in this thread is rife and unchecked Lordquinton May 2014 #255

I know very few Theists who claim to have a proof of the existence of God. stone space May 2014 #294

Really? Because there are several Theists on this board Lordquinton May 2014 #300

Claiming to know God is not an offer of proof. Hell, my wife might qualify for that, but she's... stone space May 2014 #301

Claiming there is a god means you have some sort of reason to Lordquinton May 2014 #303

Where do you get this from? I keep seeing people say things like this. stone space May 2014 #304

Your reasoning is terribly faulty. trotsky May 2014 #308

You are expecting theists to prove existence. stone space May 2014 #310

Do I need to disprove Zeus to not believe in him? trotsky May 2014 #311

No you don't. stone space May 2014 #312

Yeah, something's silly here alright. trotsky May 2014 #313

It is one sided Lordquinton May 2014 #317

I prove negatives all the time. stone space May 2014 #318

lrn2science Lordquinton May 2014 #319

Of course you can. I do it all the time. stone space May 2014 #320

Mathematically? Lordquinton May 2014 #321

Mathematically. I'm pretty sure that we didn't agree that it couldn't be done. stone space May 2014 #322

Several Lordquinton May 2014 #324

Links make more sense than your paraphrasings. stone space May 2014 #325

Want links? Lordquinton May 2014 #327

I don't recall posting anything about any Nobel prize. stone space May 2014 #330

It was a joke Lordquinton May 2014 #336

Usually what people seem to mean by a "negative" is a universally quantified statement. stone space May 2014 #338

We're using the same words Lordquinton May 2014 #341

I claimed that God doesn't exist, but I didn't claim that I had a proof that God doesn't exist. stone space May 2014 #345

I think this is where your argument falls apart. cbayer May 2014 #306

No, it doesn't put them on the same footing Lordquinton May 2014 #316

This whole argument about who has to prove or disprove cbayer May 2014 #333

The whole argument has been framed in favor of the religionists Lordquinton May 2014 #334

You behave as if there is a war going on here. cbayer May 2014 #337

I'm saying your arguments lead to that line of thinking Lordquinton May 2014 #340

You are right. "We" do those things. cbayer May 2014 #343

Just recently someone here posted that Lordquinton May 2014 #358

Link please. cbayer May 2014 #359

No, but the argument goes something like this: Turbineguy May 2014 #276

Unfortunately edhopper May 2014 #277

See, you just said "most" then brought up fundies and the taliban as your examples. cbayer May 2014 #280

True edhopper May 2014 #281

I know that you were mostly making an argument about Pascal's wager, cbayer May 2014 #283

Evangelicals in the US are fundamentalists in a sense. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #288

But they do live their lives as if God existed edhopper May 2014 #291

Thanks for the education! Turbineguy May 2014 #284

Well, edhopper May 2014 #285

Or just live like it doesn't matter. cbayer May 2014 #279

That is the best way to edhopper May 2014 #282

Some people live thier lives believing that god exists and has precepts they must accept, and impose AtheistCrusader May 2014 #287

Live and let live, sure. Oakenshield May 2014 #286

K&R. darkangel218 May 2014 #302

Since no one else seems to have asked skepticscott May 2014 #315

I have a pretty good idea of what it means to prove something. That's probably why I seldom... stone space May 2014 #323

Don't youmean maybe you don't jump to claim things you can't prove? Lordquinton May 2014 #326

No, what I mean is that I try very hard not to claim to be able to prove things that... stone space May 2014 #331

SO when someone makes a claim Lordquinton May 2014 #335

That's fine, but you're doing it while naked. stone space May 2014 #339

Um, what? Lordquinton May 2014 #342

This was really intended for the OP skepticscott May 2014 #329

Actually, if I understand your question correctly, you should probably take it as a "yes" from me. stone space May 2014 #332

No, since you failed to show skepticscott May 2014 #344

I don't think that you understand what mathematicians do for a living. (nt) stone space May 2014 #346

In fact, I do skepticscott May 2014 #347

Feel free to show me what a proof of the existence of God or the non-existence of God looks like. stone space May 2014 #348

As noted, and now confirmed, you have no clue what you even mean by "proof" skepticscott May 2014 #349

When all else fails, question motives. stone space May 2014 #350

Yes, when all else fails to get a straight, non-passive aggressive answer skepticscott May 2014 #355

You chould try email. It works better for private conversations that posting in a public forum. stone space May 2014 #356

I promised not to post in this forum again, but one last time randys1 May 2014 #351

True. People focus a lot on the western religions phil89 May 2014 #354

And nobody should belittle you for that. stone space May 2014 #357

Also, nobody can prove or disprove that a giant moon mindwalker_i May 2014 #353