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mr_lebowski

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23. I really don't think the intent of the Farmers in the MN Co-Op which established the logo in 1928
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 02:41 PM
Apr 2020

was 'Hey, I bet we can sell more butter if there's a picture of a chick that dude's wanna f*** on the label'.

Especially since the % of butter purchased by men in stores in 1928 was maybe 20% at most (my guess).

OTOH, there's 2 solid, reasonable arguments against this label:

1) Images like these should only be used by Native-owned companies at their own discretion. For others to do so is unfair cultural appropriation, and/or
2) Images of women (of any sort) on their knees offering up foodstuffs is a negative stereotype of women, implying they are subservient, belong in the kitchen, etc.

Making additional claims that the label 'goes hand in hand with sex trafficking' is over the top, and undermines your valid arguments by making you sound extreme. You just give people a reason to disregard what you said before, that made perfect sense, and was rhetorically sustainable.

In MY opinion.

Like I said, agree to disagree

The image seems pretty innocuous to me ... mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #1
Same here. Now I've got to start hoarding the old boxes. NT mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2020 #2
It's an image of a NA woman on her knees. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #3
It's an image of a young NA woman on her knees looking up submissively. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #4
Ummm ... no, it's nothing whatsoever like that anymore ... mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #9
Ummm...yes it was. Here's the packaging that was dropped in February 2020: SunSeeker Apr 2020 #11
Are you calling me a liar? mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #12
You are showing recent transitional packaging before they dropped her altogether. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #13
How is even the older picture 'showing her as a sex object'? mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #14
They're using a pretty native girl's face/body to sell butter. That's sexual objectification. nt SunSeeker Apr 2020 #15
I think we should just agree to disagree ... nt mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #16
There is the fold-the-cardboard trick too. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #7
Turning her knees into her breasts...a formative part of manhood? SunSeeker Apr 2020 #8
If IT offends our First Nations brothers and sisters then IT'S offensive! Gracias Sunseeker RestoreAmerica2020 Apr 2020 #5
I'm for this although there's a part of me TlalocW Apr 2020 #6
I totally get the complaint on the grounds of cultural appropriation ... mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #10
Sexual objectification enables sex trafficking. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #17
There's nothing sexual about the image ... mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #18
We can agree to disagree. But a depiction of a pretty girl on her knees is sexual. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #19
Yes, we do disagree ... mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #20
You don't seem to understand the concept of sexual objectification. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #22
I really don't think the intent of the Farmers in the MN Co-Op which established the logo in 1928 mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #23
Their intent was to sell butter. Pictures of pretty girls had long been a staple of advertising. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #24
I can see the point about sexual imagery TlalocW Apr 2020 #25
This image has been used 92 years. I don't think "all natural" was a thing back then. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #26
You could make that point TlalocW Apr 2020 #27
It has always bugged me. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2020 #21
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