Gun Control & RKBA

dickthegrouch

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53. Speech is a whole lot different from murder /nt

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Sun Jul 29, 2012, 04:59 PM

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Here's what I think about the argument over the Second Amendment... [View all] cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 OP

cherokeeprogressive and I often disagree, but not about this point slackmaster Jul 2012 #1

I've actually tried to get the point across about the Bill of Rights before. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #7

And exactly... Fredjust Jul 2012 #12

Human Rights Watch puts it this way gejohnston Jul 2012 #13

The Cuban constitution enumerates all rights that Cuban citizens have slackmaster Jul 2012 #14

I agree with you 100% Missycim Jul 2012 #22

Inherent for the puritan slave owners maybe. We should have evolved. Hoyt Jul 2012 #2

They weren't Puritans gejohnston Jul 2012 #4

They were pretty stern and callous folks who didn't question slavery, prohibiting women from voting, Hoyt Jul 2012 #6

Thomas Paine opposed slavery, as did Benjamin Franklin. n/t TPaine7 Jul 2012 #9

John Adams was also very much opposed to slavery, as you can see here: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #20

Benjamin had slaves. There weren't many of FF who did not have slaves. Few fought it at time. Hoyt Jul 2012 #29

Yes, He was born into surroundings of profound racism, but he rose above them TPaine7 Jul 2012 #36

I read about a Klansman who called himself a "civil rights activist". He claimed he had changed too. Hoyt Jul 2012 #37

Guns are not inherently racist. They existed before white people were in what is now the US, TPaine7 Jul 2012 #39

Evolution occurs over millions of years, not hundreds. HALO141 Jul 2012 #11

Sure thing, we'll just wait a million years for you guys to realize guns aren't the answer to much. Hoyt Jul 2012 #30

OK, is that a promise? HALO141 Jul 2012 #38

actually women did vote gejohnston Jul 2012 #15

They did question slavery 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #25

Yea, they questioned whether to count them as a whole person. You guys can't be serious. Hoyt Jul 2012 #28

Don't tell me this is yet another area where you revel in your own ignorance? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #31

What was the outcome of all those "fierce debates" and when did slavery end? How about racism? Hoyt Jul 2012 #32

Interesting. So the fact that there was a certain outcome 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #33

No, you guys treat guns "like people," even like relatives. Hoyt Jul 2012 #34

I do send mine a birthday card every year 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #35

The only reason that slavery was included in the constitution tortoise1956 Jul 2012 #42

The Constitution, essentially endorsed slavery. Heck, most of the founders "owned" humans. Hoyt Jul 2012 #44

What does slavery have to do with the RKBA? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #50

Just a historical note: Glaug-Eldare Jul 2012 #43

I've heard that from the right wingers in southern states. They sound proud of it. Hoyt Jul 2012 #45

I'm fairly certain Jenoch Aug 2012 #77

Nope. Washington wasn't an atheist. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #23

Let's take your logic seriously and apply it consistently, exactly as if it made sense. TPaine7 Jul 2012 #8

You know your rights are safe. Hopefully your guns will be restricted, and pethaps Hoyt Jul 2012 #10

No I do not. TPaine7 Jul 2012 #17

What ever your gun rights really are, Hoyt Jul 2012 #18

That's probably the most reasonable post I've ever seen from you. But it's wrong... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #19

there is no evidence that the government will take away your rights samsingh Jul 2012 #66

1930's Germany .gov was democratically elected. nt rDigital Jul 2012 #74

give me an fing break. alot of things happened at that time to get wwII GOING samsingh Jul 2012 #75

more complex than that gejohnston Jul 2012 #76

Out of curiosity are you at all concerned about the rights we have lost and are losing ... spin Jul 2012 #21

Guns at home only worry burglars and home invaders, not armed robbers. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #24

That explains a lot. alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #48

Or he's working to ensure safe and convenient working conditions for his colleagues. n/t NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #58

Rights are never safe 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #26

Now the government is constrained from abridging this right of any sane non-felon citizen. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #40

It's not that they approved of slavery Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #41

Buuuh... buuuh... but... -..__... Jul 2012 #3

Exactly. n/t TPaine7 Jul 2012 #5

Here's some support for that interpretation, and good onya for seeing it! X_Digger Jul 2012 #16

So clearly in stating that the purpose is "a well-regulated militia" ellisonz Jul 2012 #62

How is it that a 'declaratory and restrictive clause' against the government limits 'the people'? X_Digger Jul 2012 #63

These are not stand-alone commandments, these are amendments to the Constitution. ellisonz Jul 2012 #67

How is a limit on the government (the bill of rights) a limit on 'the people'? X_Digger Jul 2012 #69

I agree with your assessment 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #27

But the arms they had were muskets and cannon dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #46

Full of sound and stupidity, signifying nothing... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #47

When one finger points out, three fingers point back dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #52

if you are in the middle gejohnston Jul 2012 #54

So you're standing by your implication that anyone carrying a gun is a combatant and therefore cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #55

Re-read what I wrote dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #56

NO matter how broad the brush is that you paint with, it always misses some spots... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #57

100,000 gun injuries a year is acceptable to you???? dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #64

Link? ErikO Jul 2012 #68

Wikipedia dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #72

"That is the current consequence of waiting until some idiot shoots someone before jailing them." cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #70

It's not pre-emptive at all dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #71

Err.. Yes, they had multiple round magazines, even then.. X_Digger Jul 2012 #49

They didn't have radio, TV, or the internet either. Angleae Jul 2012 #51

Speech is a whole lot different from murder /nt dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #53

Only because you like the 1st amendment. xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #60

there are plenty of people injured every day... alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #61

but the presses they had were hand operated and used ink! alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #65

WELL SAID xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #59

That is a right-wing argument that ignores the 14th amendment. eallen Jul 2012 #73