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Gun Control & RKBA

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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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Fri Jul 15, 2022, 11:33 AM Jul 2022

Forget the idea of an assault weapon ban. UBCs are the way to go. [View all]

First, any AWB is predicated on being able to define an assault weapon. The time and political capital expended in negotiating that definition is better spent elsewhere.

Second, any legislation named, containing the words or identified as equivalent to an AWB will be fought against long and hard by almost every Republican and almost every pro-gun lobbying organization.

Third, which I consider most important, attempts at an AWB will perpetuate the idea that such a thing as an "assault weapon" actually exists. This will also convince those against such a ban to focus, in contributions, efforts and media, on the defeat of those Democrats most vulnerable who are in favor of it. This would also rally any friendly anti-gun folks and give them hope that a federal AWB was possible.

Just a reminder of the 1994 efforts:

Those in favor of the measure were able to secure the votes they needed by letting the people who already owned these weapons keep them. There was also the "sunset provision" that was accepted by sponsors of the bill. Even with these provisions, the bill was passed in the Senate with a slim majority of 52 votes before being signed by President Bill Clinton.

After the ban was put in place, there was a large increase in the prison population, which disproportionately affected African Americans. This fact, along with some higher taxes, a House banking scandal, and the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), were some problems that the Democrats were facing. In the elections which followed, the Republicans gained control of the Senate and the House. Republicans had not had control of the House in 40 years.


There is now a bipartisan precedent for cooperation on meaningful legislation. H.R.7910 - "Protecting Our Kids Act" made a difference. A further accomplishment that would also make a difference would be to enable Universal Background Checks (UBCs).
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I agree that the impossibility of defining assault weapons in a meaningful and effective way makes Martin68 Jul 2022 #1
Yes! We agree that an assault weapon ban based on some definition AndyS Jul 2022 #2
Excellent idea! discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2022 #3
Yeah and we're supposed to listen to all that shit like it's a force of nature AndyS Jul 2022 #4
Maybe you missed it, UBCs were kind of the point. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2022 #5
No. UBCs were YOUR point. Not THE point. THE point is reducing gun violence. That means AndyS Jul 2022 #6
Pure negotiating wisdom. Getaway car... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2022 #7
Oh, we can't get that. Lets just plead with the gunners, May I have more Sir? AndyS Jul 2022 #8
Will that also work with automobiles? oneshooter Jul 2022 #9
It has already worked. Guns kill more people every year than cars AndyS Jul 2022 #10
There are about 230 million registered vehicles in the US Kaleva Jul 2022 #17
That's just fucked up . . . AndyS Jul 2022 #18
"Yeah, Ramon, that'll happen." - Romy White discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2022 #11
See why negotiations are futile? Hangingon Jul 2022 #12
Well yeah. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2022 #13
Great. Let's just keep screaming at each other, as always. Paladin Jul 2022 #14
How are you feeling about UBCs? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2022 #15
From the BBC, 2018: yagotme Jul 2022 #19
Years ago, I proposed a method to define based on the cartridge and not the gun itself Kaleva Jul 2022 #16
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