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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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13. Responding here to the Founders intent.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 04:14 PM
Dec 2021

Folks on both sides of this conflate the RKBA with the 2A. I think we all know that the 2A doesn't confer, conger or create a right out of some idea or agreement among the Founders. As I understand it, the 2A was intended to protect the RKBA, an inherent and preexisting right, from government. The essential spirit of the Bill of Rights was to limit the reach of government.

Did the Founders imagine we would have machine guns, under-barrel grenade launchers and nuclear weapons? I have no idea. The detailed descriptions for the militia list arms matching what typical soldier would carry. The various militia acts have covered that their are both an organized and an unorganized militia. No where for the first century of US history are their laws on the books that totally deny an individual RKBA.

IMO individuals' rights were to be expressly protected both to the ends of self and state protection. In its wisdom and political evolution government today has found a way to imbue our standing military with the idea that they are not special, not above the law and that they are among the citizenry in general. In the 18th century British troops were doing the bidding of the British Crown. Our Founders sought to prevent such a military here.

Historically the line between standard military arms such as shoulder fired rockets and civilian semi-auto rifles and handguns has moved as to what is permissible/legal. A hundred years ago hardware stores sold Thompson submachine guns. That no longer happens. Case law and state and federal laws have clearly delineated civilian arms.

Many things stop people from obtaining firearms from licensed dealers. I've said here on this site that private sellers should at least have a means of getting a background check for a prospective buyer. Universal background checks would be a good step in the quest for keeping guns out of the wrong hands. That would be worth a compromise like taking suppressors off the list of NFA weapons. A suppressor is not a silencer. A 117+ db noise is anything but quiet. It's worth the trade off. As a comparison, modern testing on a selection of handguns has shown that they produce 156 to 168 dB when firing without a suppressor, and 117 to 140 dB when firing with a suppressor.

So 'arms is all it says' leaving it to the legislatures and courts to interpret. I infer that explains the reference to "animating contest for freedom" written about by Sam Adams.

Have a great holiday week.

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I've never really understood the logic of banning standard capacity magazines. PTWB Dec 2021 #1
The problem with your reasoning is that it comes down to AndyS Dec 2021 #4
"Arms" bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #2
Are you saying that the 2nd amendment shouldn't cover modern arms? PTWB Dec 2021 #3
See? You're interpreting every bit as much as the courts must /nt bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #5
I was asking what you were trying to say. PTWB Dec 2021 #6
The authors listed freedom of speech, but didn't foresee computers, yagotme Dec 2021 #7
The Internet isn't mentioned in the Constitution, either. PTWB Dec 2021 #8
Shoulder fired rocket launchers and suicide bombers with backpacks are also bearing arms bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #9
And you can't falsely shout fire in a crowded movie theater. PTWB Dec 2021 #10
Thank you for phrasing that correctly. Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #11
You're welcome. PTWB Dec 2021 #12
It's sad, though, that this verbiage came out of a terrible decision The Mouth Dec 2021 #16
A shoulder launched rocket would be fun to have/shoot, yagotme Jan 2022 #18
Responding here to the Founders intent. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2021 #13
Compliment and comment . . . Surf Fishing Guru Dec 2021 #15
Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2021 #17
I consider this stay a concession . . . Surf Fishing Guru Dec 2021 #14
Vacated and sent back to the courts The Mouth Jul 2022 #19
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