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In reply to the discussion: Ghost Guns Are Everywhere in California [View all]discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,577 posts)95. Just a few fine points here
Your straw man here depends on these statements that are inaccurate and oversimplified. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a Liberty Right. The Right to Life is a Claim Right.
Liberty rights and claim rights are the inverse of one another: a person has a liberty right permitting him to do something only if there is no other person who has a claim right forbidding him from doing so; and likewise, if a person has a claim right against someone else, that other person's liberty is thus limited. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claim_rights_and_liberty_rights
The scope of the Constitution, of which the Bill of Rights is a part, is about the six basic objectives written in the Preamble:
-form a more perfect Union
-establish Justice
-insure domestic Tranquility
-provide for the common defence
-promote the general Welfare
-secure the Blessings of Liberty
To that end Amendments I, II, IX and X list specific liberties and protect others not specifically detailed. The other Amendments list Claim Rights which depend on the respect of both the government and the whole of the People to be enjoyed.
Saying that the right to a gun includes implicitly the right to murder is your straw man.
You do absolutely have the right to life and anyone who murders you is engaging in a crime. However, just as prior restraint (censorship) is not allowed by the First Amendment, wholesale confiscation and prohibition is not allowed by the Second.
The fact that there is an item or some bit of knowledge is a means to commit a crime does not authorize its confiscation by the government. I have a checkbook. If I write a check for $5,000,000 and try to cash it, that's a crime. This is not a justification for the government to take my checkbook.
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Pious fraud is part and parcel of gun control advocacy. That was merely the latest example.
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#5
None of which substantiate your original claim. We've seen this sort of thing before:
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#8
Some truly believe that mere repetition of a claim is a sign of veracity...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#17
Not that I disagree- but mere repetition of a claim is no indicator of truth
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#16
"You didn't address my point" Said 'point' is merely a repeated claim, made with much handwaving...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#20
"Disband the NRA" by mindlessly parroting your claims to everyone we know?
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#32
You have to admit without the NRA, the only guns left would be muskets & Colt SAAs
discntnt_irny_srcsm
May 2019
#33
Gay marriage was achieved by action, not mindless repetition of slogans...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#62
God the bull shit never ends does it. Bad parenting? Combined with a fucking GUN!
wasupaloopa
May 2019
#30
What does the NRA do to prevent school shootings? Actually they work toward more
wasupaloopa
May 2019
#29
No no no no the tool is made for killing and is used to kill children in school. That you
wasupaloopa
May 2019
#52
implicitly to murder me or anyone else, is more important than my right to life
gejohnston
May 2019
#41
The 2nd Amendment only applies to MILITIAS. And Scalia got bought by gun companies
sharedvalues
May 2019
#77
An obvious (and clumsy) propagandist lecturing others about 'bad faith'?
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2019
#89
I might accept that sniper rifles are designed to kill but guns in general? Not so much other guns.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
May 2019
#35
If guns in general aren't designed to kill, then what are they designed for?
PoindexterOglethorpe
May 2019
#39
Once again, with rare exceptions guns are designed to kill living things.
PoindexterOglethorpe
May 2019
#67
Authoritarians and moral panic-mongers love the "Won't somebody think of the children?" schtick
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#79
You're not the first demagogue to sanctimoniously proclaim that you're trying to 'save' children...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#80