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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
6. "(Y)ou will not smear them or Waldman." My my, aren't *we* full of ourselves!
Fri May 31, 2019, 11:35 PM
May 2019

I especially like how Waldman advocates a political strategy identical to the one the gestation slavers are
using against Roe v Wade, only directed in a different direction.



Improbably, the gun movement’s triumph has become a template for progressives, many of whom are appalled by the substance of the victories. Keene was joined by Evan Wolfson, the organizer of Freedom to Marry, whose movement has begun to win startling victories for marriage equality in courts. Once, conservatives fumed about activist courts enforcing newly articulated rights—a woman’s right to reproductive choice, equal protection for all races. But just as they learned from the left’s legal victories in those fields, today progressives are trying to re-learn from their conservative counterparts.

One lesson: patience. The fight for gun rights took decades. Another lesson, perhaps obvious: There is no substitute for political organizing. A century ago the satirical character Mr. Dooley famously said in an Irish brogue, “No matter whether th' Constitution follows th' flag or not, the Supreme Coort follows th' iliction returns.” Before social movements can win at the court they must win at the ballot box. The five justices in the Heller majority were all nominated by presidents who themselves were NRA members.

But even more important is this: Activists turned their fight over gun control into a constitutional crusade. Modern political consultants may tell clients that constitutional law and the role of the Supreme Court is too arcane for discussion at the proverbial “kitchen table.” Nonsense. Americans always have been engaged, and at times enraged, by constitutional doctrine. Deep notions of freedom and rights have retained totemic power. Today’s “Second Amendment supporters” recognize that claiming the constitutional high ground goes far toward winning an argument.

Liberal lawyers might once have rushed to court at the slightest provocation. Now, they are starting to realize that a long, full jurisprudential campaign is needed to achieve major goals. Since 2011, activists have waged a widespread public education campaign to persuade citizens that new state laws were illegitimate attempts to curb voting rights, all as a precursor to winning court victories. Now many democracy activists, mortified by recent Supreme Court rulings in campaign finance cases (all with Heller’s same 5-4 split), have begun to map out a path to overturn Citizens United and other recent cases. Years of scholarship, theorizing, amicus briefs, test cases and minority dissents await before a new majority can refashion recent constitutional doctrine.



https://www.google.com/search?q=right+wing+packing+courts&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100211189811

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016232791

An attendee at the Chamber of Commerce event put an admirably unvarnished query to McConnell that created an exact parallel to 2016, when Justice Antonin Scalia passed away: “Should a Supreme Court justice die next year, what will your position be on filling that spot?”

“Oh, we’d fill it,” McConnell said quickly, with that small smile of his. Court-packing — excuse me, loading the court with your ideological friends — is the one way you can set the nation’s political course no matter what voters decide year to year. “You want to have a long-lasting positive impact,” he explained. “Everything else changes. … What can’t be undone is a lifetime appointment to a young man or woman who believes in the quaint notion that the job of a judge is to follow the law.”

Thanks for posting this mainstreetonce May 2019 #1
... flamin lib May 2019 #2
The fact that Scalia redacted 1/2 of the 2nd Amendment to support his "originalist" view guillaumeb May 2019 #3
Scalia specifically said that the 2A allows strict gun control hack89 Jun 2019 #7
True, but he did need to dismiss 1/2 of the Amendment to support his claimed originalist argument. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #16
President Obama, HRC and Bernie Sanders have all said the 2A protects an individual right hack89 Jun 2019 #17
It was, for the Founders. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #19
Except they never wrote any laws to that effect hack89 Jun 2019 #20
The Founders were concerned with Federal issues. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #21
according to Barron v Baltimore, gejohnston Jun 2019 #22
But those same founders went back to their states to write state constitutions hack89 Jun 2019 #23
The Consistution does make a provision for a standing army gladium et scutum Jun 2019 #29
Agreed. Snackshack May 2019 #4
From a centrist establishment type, formerly someone evenkeeled. sharedvalues May 2019 #5
"(Y)ou will not smear them or Waldman." My my, aren't *we* full of ourselves! friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #6
You did smear Waldman. You know your argument is flawed. sharedvalues Jun 2019 #10
Ahem. You don't actually *get* to shape others' replies to you. Also... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #27
No, I do get to point out lies. sharedvalues Jun 2019 #31
Wait- if you buy guns or ammo you help get kids killed. sharedvalues Jun 2019 #32
"Pastor Robert Jeffress Says Disney Supports 'Murdering Children'... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #36
Deflection. Own your responsibility. sharedvalues Jun 2019 #37
Feh. Eric Hoffer explained people like you years ago: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #42
"If the gun restrictionists quit aping the fetus fetishists, the meme will go away." friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #43
Thanks for that discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #44
The Supreme Court agrees with Burger hack89 Jun 2019 #8
The Heller decision is a farce that puts kids at risk sharedvalues Jun 2019 #9
Heller specifically says the 2A allows strict gun control. hack89 Jun 2019 #13
You just don't understand *progressive* guilt by association friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #34
Lots of obvious propaganda techniques, little to no actual evidence friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #28
That's a dead kid. Sorry you don't like actual evidence. sharedvalues Jun 2019 #30
Blatant propaganda and cheap appeals to pity don't move me, and never have friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #33
Another Lovejoy. Straw Man Jun 2019 #35
Of rights and straw men. MarvinGardens Jun 2019 #11
"...a bit of a straw man." But I would rec this were it an OP discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #14
Thanks! MarvinGardens Jun 2019 #15
1939 Miller decision makes your claims invalid jimmy the one Jun 2019 #46
Sounds like the gestation slavers claiming that Roe v Wade ought to be overturned friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #48
militia blasts from the past jimmy the one Jun 2019 #51
I'm neither impressed nor intimidated by mere bluster and chronic logorrhea friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #53
The modern N.C. constitution added the qualifier MarvinGardens Jun 2019 #66
1939 miller explained further jimmy the one Jun 2019 #76
You are laser focused on Miller and ignoring my other arguments in this thread. MarvinGardens Jun 2019 #77
It seems Con Law lectures at Internet Search Engine University focus on Miller... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #78
Let's see here... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #79
Well, when you only have one decision, rendered because the defendant died, and the defense didn't AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #81
If I understand you, sarisataka Jun 2019 #12
re: "...better to submit...than to defend one's self" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #24
With complete unawareness of the irony, sarisataka Jun 2019 #26
Perhaps if a whole city calls to request a police escort... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #39
Burger's rant gejohnston Jun 2019 #18
If you buy guns and ammo you help get American kids killed. sharedvalues Jun 2019 #40
it wasn't gejohnston Jun 2019 #41
What consensus legal opinion? hack89 Jun 2019 #45
Once again, you've demonstrated that pious fraud is part and parcel of gun control advocacy friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #49
Miller? The case where the defense never made an argument? hack89 Jun 2019 #55
"(Miller) did not say that militia service is required for gun ownership." True... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #56
Pardon me for interjecting my rather focused discussion on Miller discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #58
You weren't to notice those inconvenient details amidst all the bluster and handwaving friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #60
See reply below for legal opinion sharedvalues Jun 2019 #65
re: "Republicans love guns because gun identity politics gets people... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #25
Wrong. I just checked. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #38
1939 supreme court Miller decision re 2ndA jimmy the one Jun 2019 #47
Miller is no more valid today than Minersville School District v. Gobitis friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #50
And if it was, we'd all have the right to own an Army-issue (and fully automatic) M4... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #59
"a unorganized militia is NOT well regulated. It could not possibly be what madison intended" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #61
IOW: "No *true* militia is unorganized" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #63
Thank you - very good! sharedvalues Jun 2019 #80
Of course, because it's wrong in the same way your argument is wrong. AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #82
I'm sorry you can't recognize truth when you see it. sharedvalues Jun 2019 #83
When I buy ammo, I give 11% to nature conservancy. AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #86
You're having a discussion with someone who rewrote the dictionary discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #85
Evangelists of all stripes want believers, not thinkers. Thinkers tend to ask pesky questions... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #87
When your "church" says the world is flat... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #88
2A - Well regulated militia, not well armed minority bigbrother05 Jun 2019 #52
What are you doing to arm the majority? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #54
There are so many appropriate quotes from the movie Lord of War discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #84
Thanks. Yes. sharedvalues Jun 2019 #64
I hope to make this the subject of an OP, soon. MarvinGardens Jun 2019 #67
Only in America is the problem MythosMaster Jun 2019 #57
Welcome to the site and the group. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #62
"The Founders never intended to create unregulated guns" yagotme Jun 2019 #68
? sharedvalues Jun 2019 #69
The way to "register" guns is to make a list, yagotme Jun 2019 #70
How does this work when semiautomatics are banned? sharedvalues Jun 2019 #71
It's 2 simple steps discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #72
Good question. yagotme Jun 2019 #73
Guess its good they are regulated then. jmg257 Jun 2019 #74
It was never meant to be just militia. gejohnston Jun 2019 #75
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