Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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55. ad hoc fallacy

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:30 PM

Jan 2019

one third of their murders are shootings, and they don't have the gang and wealth inequality problems that comes with crumbling infrastructure and political corruption. They also don't have the population. Mexico, South Africa, and Brazil have almost no legal guns. Venezuela have no legal guns outside of Murdro's death squads. They wish they had our murder rates.

Actually, they have their share of illegal guns. Canada's crime rate was one quarter of ours when they had no gun laws at all, and was even when we were at our worst 20 years ago.

Still no valid argument. Ad hoc logical fallacy while knowing nothing about crime statistics or gun laws.

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Millions of kids fear being killed at school. It's time for adults to say: enough. [View all] sharedvalues Dec 2018 OP

thanks media, gejohnston Dec 2018 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Dec 2018 #2

My kids are adults, gejohnston Dec 2018 #3

This is all a load of distraction. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #5

Agreed; comparing guns to asbestos... is a distraction n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #6

Same profit motive--corporations wanting to sell deadly stuff to make money. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #9

re: "...corporations wanting to sell deadly stuff to make money." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #12

Cool, you support asbestos AND guns! sharedvalues Dec 2018 #13

Cool, you can make stuff up discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #25

re: profit motive discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2019 #57

still not a valid argument gejohnston Dec 2018 #8

Republicans stopped govt from funding research sharedvalues Dec 2018 #10

not true either, gejohnston Dec 2018 #14

You're wrong. DU has discussed this at length sharedvalues Dec 2018 #15

That's nice, gejohnston Dec 2018 #17

Wrong. Read link above. Fewer guns, fewer dead kids. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #19

I've heard about some... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Dec 2018 #16

don't have any, gejohnston Dec 2018 #18

Read the link above. Fewer guns, fewer deaths. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #20

From your link ... Straw Man Dec 2018 #22

Yup. You don't understand how the scientific method works. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #23

Do tell. Straw Man Dec 2018 #24

Read the article sharedvalues Dec 2018 #29

C'mon now. I read the article. Straw Man Dec 2018 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Dec 2018 #21

Good work. Canada is another good example sharedvalues Dec 2018 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Dec 2018 #33

Guns can be used for evil purposes or for good purposes. ... spin Dec 2018 #4

A gun is a simple tool discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #7

True. Guns can and are used to kill children. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #11

My daughter had recently graduated from high school ... spin Dec 2018 #31

Please read reply #1 guillaumeb Dec 2018 #28

Research on the number of times firearms are used for legitimate self defense is ... spin Dec 2018 #32

actually not true, gejohnston Dec 2018 #35

Dr. Arthur Kellerman, stated: discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #38

But with those odds, that undercuts the reason many give for owning guns. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #27

It undercuts the need for cops, gejohnston Dec 2018 #34

Oh, this crap again. krispos42 Dec 2018 #36

What astounds me, gejohnston Dec 2018 #37

It's focusing on the hardware krispos42 Dec 2018 #40

No, I'd say you're just wrong. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #43

ad hoc logical fallacy gejohnston Jan 2019 #44

Non-sequitur fallacy. Truth: Fewer guns, fewer dead kids sharedvalues Jan 2019 #45

Wealth inequality gejohnston Jan 2019 #46

False: let's focus on Canada sharedvalues Jan 2019 #48

wrong about everything as usual gejohnston Jan 2019 #49

False. The truth--Canada: few handguns on streets, few deaths. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #54

ad hoc fallacy gejohnston Jan 2019 #55

Non sequitur fallacy. Fewer guns, fewer deaths. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #61

and you don't know gejohnston Jan 2019 #64

I'm sorry you're unaware of the definition of "non sequitur" sharedvalues Jan 2019 #66

I simply pointed out a gejohnston Jan 2019 #67

"Non sequitur": point that is irrelevant sharedvalues Jan 2019 #68

Nobody is advocating for kids getting killed. Straw Man Jan 2019 #69

The truth: Mexico:few guns on street (legally), many deaths. yagotme Jan 2019 #60

What evidence and/or proof do you have to back up this claim? oneshooter Dec 2018 #41

I suggest reading the article I linked. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #42

IOW, "I like this editorial, therefore it is accurate and you should simply accept my word for it" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2019 #71

Proper secured storage is a good thing. ManiacJoe Jan 2019 #47

Mere moral panic mongering, the likes of which we've seen before: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2019 #50

"Won't somebody *please* think of the children?" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2019 #51

Except: kids ARE getting killed. It's a fact. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #63

You're far from the first to sanctimoniously proclaim that you're trying to 'save' children... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2019 #70

As a gun owner, this is not a compelling argument. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #52

As a gun and ammo buyer, you're complicit in kid deaths sharedvalues Jan 2019 #53

i remember when teachers would use that logic about buying weed. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #56

The new Prohibitionists hate guns (on the L), and migrants (on the R) friendly_iconoclast Jan 2019 #59

That's fair: if you advocate for gun control you're doing good. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #62

I'm interested to know... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2019 #65

No feed for you, but bless your heart Alea Jan 2019 #58