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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:49 PM Dec 2018

United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939) [View all]

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/307/174/#tab-opinion-1936361

Justia Opinion Summary and Annotations

Annotation
Primary Holding
Only weapons that have a reasonable relationship to the effectiveness of a well-regulated militia under the Second Amendment are free from government regulation.


MR. JUSTICE McREYNOLDS delivered the opinion of the Court.
An indictment in the District Court, Western District Arkansas, charged that Jack Miller and Frank Layton
"did unlawfully, knowingly, willfully, and feloniously transport in interstate commerce from the town of Claremore in the State of Oklahoma to the town of Siloam Springs in the State of Arkansas a certain firearm, to-wit, a double barrel 12-gauge Stevens shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches in length, bearing identification number 76230, said defendants, at the time of so transporting said firearm in interstate commerce as aforesaid, not having registered said firearm as required by Section 1132d of Title 26, United States Code (Act of June 26, 1934, c. 737, Sec. 4 [§ 5], 48 Stat. 1237), and not having in their possession a stamp-affixed written order for said firearm as provided by Section 1132c, Title 2, United States Code (June 26, 1934, c. 737, Sec. 4, 48 Stat. 1237) and the regulations issued under authority of the said Act of Congress known as the 'National Firearms Act,' approved June 26, 1934, contrary to the form of the statute in such case made and provided, and against the peace and dignity of the United States.


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In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a "shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment, or that its use could contribute to the common defense. Aymette v. State, 2 Humphreys (Tenn.) 154, 158.


Please take note of the following from the court:
1> Only weapons that have a reasonable relationship to the effectiveness of a well-regulated militia under the Second Amendment are free from government regulation.
2> In the absence of any evidence...


I highlight #1 to report the court's opinion of what weapons should remain unregulated, in the words of the unanimous Supreme Court, from a case which many favoring everything from outright bans to limits, restrictions and permits often quote.
Ask yourself, "What weapons are appropriate for the state militia?". Such weapons are the ones which "are free from government regulation".

I highlight #2 to indicate that the court pointed to the lack of evidence presented as contributing to the decision. Miller was a known criminal. He had given evidence in court against other criminals. He was a known target for retribution. This is rather well proven by his murder which took place in April of 1939. Miller's appearance in court was prevented by his death. His counsel did not appear either. The only arguments and evidence were presented by the government prosecutor.

For further background see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller
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United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939) [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 OP
What weapons are appropriate to a State militia? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #1
Well regulated means well equiped. gejohnston Dec 2018 #3
well-regulated militia member murders his wife sharedvalues Dec 2018 #4
appeal to emotion, gejohnston Dec 2018 #7
Nope, appeal to facts. Woman murdered. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #8
about facts, gejohnston Dec 2018 #11
Nearly everything you said is false. Please read here. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #15
Vox gejohnston Dec 2018 #16
Vox is truth seeking media sharedvalues Dec 2018 #19
the average Vox writer gejohnston Dec 2018 #21
This is a rightwing talking point. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #22
no, it is objective fact gejohnston Dec 2018 #23
An example of an article with internal inconsistencies discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #29
So if you pay taxes in Ferguson, Missouri... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #12
No, but if you buy ammo, you're complicit in Sandy Hook sharedvalues Dec 2018 #14
That just smells like more "flexible logic" n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #26
See the list of small arms here discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #5
And Scalia's later Heller decision was motivated by politics. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #2
re: "Originalism is a bullshit excuse..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #6
Originalism is Republican bullsh*t. As i said. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #9
Thanks, I will read it but, respectfully... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #10
Respectfully, Scalia, Heller, and "originalism" get Americans killed sharedvalues Dec 2018 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author gejohnston Dec 2018 #17
Please continue to defend Republican judges nm sharedvalues Dec 2018 #18
I defend the BoR, gejohnston Dec 2018 #20
"Well-regulated militia" sharedvalues Dec 2018 #25
which meant you show up with your own gun and gear gejohnston Dec 2018 #27
bulloffal on equipped jimmy the one Jan 2019 #38
To "regulate" the equipment of the militia would apply to #1, yagotme Jan 2019 #39
I am right, you are wrong. gejohnston Jan 2019 #40
no rebuttals, just ad homs & cheap shots & tap dancing jimmy the one Jan 2019 #41
only a postload of ad hominem & cheap shots gejohnston Jan 2019 #42
you're confused discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2019 #43
Legal Definition of in pari materia discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #28
re: germane discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #24
miller vs unorganized militia jimmy the one Jan 2019 #30
re: "This 1939 supreme court ruling on miller was UNANIMOUS." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2019 #31
unorganized militia is a JOKE jimmy the one Jan 2019 #34
Thank you: "It is an opinion..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2019 #35
The current existing law from Title 10 of the US Code discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2019 #36
Last but not least re: "...JOKE" discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2019 #44
Two comments. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #32
You are dead wrong on just about everything jimmy the one Jan 2019 #33
Problems with some of your comments: yagotme Jan 2019 #37
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