Gun Control & RKBA

krispos42

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114. Taking away the AR-15 doesn't solve the problem

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:26 PM

Nov 2018

Except get them motivated to vote for Republicans.

Absent an AR-15 or whatever gun you choose to villianize, they will pick a substitute from the broad offerings from the makers of guns, who will respond to market forces as needed and supply them.

You're not making the mentality go away by taking one a particular object, but you are getting out votes for the GOP. Worse, you're making lifelong GOP voters.

I've stated before that I don't have problems with some more rigorous laws with guns, but this is not a hardware problem. These people are not rationally motivated when they plan and perform these things, so hoping that if they can't get an AR-15 (or whatever) they'll just not perform these horrific and senseless acts is a forlorn hope. They don't have a rational goal; the death and injuries is not a by-product of a mission, it IS the mission.

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What is the use you would have for owning an AR-15? [View all] CreekDog Feb 2018 OP

None- these are made for killing people and I don't want to do that RainCaster Feb 2018 #1

This samir.g Feb 2018 #2

Why do you hate women? Always Right Feb 2018 #8

shooting at a target is not a use. It is practice for something else. Is she demigoddess Feb 2018 #29

Agree to disagree Always Right Feb 2018 #34

"shooting at a target is not a use." EX500rider Feb 2018 #35

Funny, I didn't see any AR15s on the Olympics website. flamin lib Oct 2018 #50

And yet lots of shooting competitions do use them. Most people can't afford Olympic level guns. EX500rider Oct 2018 #67

The Olympics caters to the lowest common denominator. ManiacJoe Oct 2018 #71

Then tell ex500 not to cite the Olympics as a reason to own an AR15. flamin lib Oct 2018 #74

The .22lr is not the "choice" of the Olympics. ManiacJoe Oct 2018 #84

The AR15 is none of what you say it is. Fantasize as much as you want flamin lib Oct 2018 #96

The AR-15 is the gold standard for high power target shooting hack89 Oct 2018 #97

Wow. Assuming your resume is accurate, ManiacJoe Oct 2018 #98

To characterize yourself as an "amateur" is generous to say the least. I'm still looking for one... Marengo Oct 2018 #100

I was responding to a post that claimed target shooting was not a use or sport. EX500rider Mar 2019 #156

Of course it is a use hack89 Mar 2018 #44

Curious. Do you feel the urge to have high-capacity clips? Or bump stocks? Night scopes? erronis Oct 2018 #52

That's nice - enjoy your hobby hack89 Oct 2018 #59

Some of us enjoy both hobbies. ManiacJoe Oct 2018 #72

Gunners always have the best arguments. I don't know where they come from. I used to think it was wasupaloopa Oct 2018 #106

Not sure "weapon of choice" would be an accurate description. ManiacJoe Oct 2018 #109

The media has been telling people for years that the AR-15 is only good ... spin Nov 2018 #115

Sorry, I can't think of any. Marie Marie Feb 2018 #3

I can't even come up with some wise-ass response - murder, death, & mayhem aren't funny. NBachers Feb 2018 #4

I have friends who hunt with them. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #5

I use mine for competitive target shooting hack89 Feb 2018 #6

So you have no use for them at home? CreekDog Feb 2018 #9

I don't own guns for self defense. I live in a very safe town. nt hack89 Feb 2018 #10

I have built 5 oneshooter Feb 2018 #25

Zombies vercetti2021 Feb 2018 #7

Yep. narnian60 Feb 2018 #26

I would feel confident sarisataka Feb 2018 #11

We have some gun lovers here, I have blocked most of them. redstatebluegirl Feb 2018 #12

Some of my friends living in rural areas tortoise1956 Feb 2018 #23

How could you understand? You've blocked all the ones who have answered. EL34x4 Mar 2018 #41

chew toy for my dog The Mouth Feb 2018 #13

Several good reasons Puha Ekapi_2 Feb 2018 #14

wow, you went a year without a post that didn't involve guns CreekDog Feb 2018 #19

I use DU... Puha Ekapi_2 Feb 2018 #20

so, posting about guns on DU is entertainment for you? CreekDog Feb 2018 #21

Guns, shooting, and RKBA... Puha Ekapi_2 Feb 2018 #22

All your points are valid and understandable by me... pbmus Oct 2018 #55

Most younger shooters I see on the pistol ranges are using semi-automatic ... spin Mar 2018 #38

So glad you posted Ferrets are Cool Dec 2018 #131

If I was going to get one, it would be for self-defense krispos42 Feb 2018 #15

Come out west, gejohnston Feb 2018 #16

I used to live in South Dakota and Minnesota krispos42 Feb 2018 #17

It's a conspiracy I tell you, gejohnston Feb 2018 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Alea Feb 2018 #24

Protecting my family OU65802 Feb 2018 #27

In these days and times, the foremost reason to own an AR... ADX Feb 2018 #28

Found this about a year back: LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #130

Thanks for posting that, friend... ADX Dec 2018 #135

If I was parachuting into an IS IS stronghold, I'd want one. Short of that, can't say I 'd have Atticus Feb 2018 #30

even then, gejohnston Feb 2018 #32

Militaries don't use AR-15 RearwinRoyce Oct 2018 #62

U.S. Navy aboard ship. Ships are made of steel with long companion ways flamin lib Oct 2018 #68

Navy used M14 now M4. RearwinRoyce Oct 2018 #70

He claims to know "probably more about firearm development and its effect on warfare than most" Marengo Dec 2018 #120

"I hold a C&R FFL, own more guns than I have fingers, know local and national laws and probably... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2018 #147

Don't have a use for an AR-15 or any semi-automatic Kaleva Feb 2018 #31

Might I suggest ... Straw Man Mar 2018 #36

Because I was tired of the SKS. ileus Feb 2018 #33

If I move to a more rural area of Florida and find feral hogs on my property... spin Mar 2018 #37

You beat me to it. luvs2sing Feb 2019 #153

I can see how a semiautomatic rifle would come in handy ... spin Feb 2019 #154

I have no need for one....yet kudzu22 Mar 2018 #39

I have no reason, which is why I don't own one. HeartachesNhangovers Mar 2018 #40

Recreational shooting, some competition, and potential defense of self, family, and home aikoaiko Mar 2018 #42

Hunting, formal and informal competitions, self defense. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #43

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #45

Two reasons SoutherDem Oct 2018 #46

Pissing off people who think I shouldn't have one The Mouth Oct 2018 #47

Same. If I'm in my own home and its legal, fuck anyone who doesn't like it. Reason enough. n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2018 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author spin Oct 2018 #49

They are fun to shoot aeromanKC Oct 2018 #51

Rachael Maddow 4nic8em Oct 2018 #56

Driving 100 mph down the freeway is also fun to do aeromanKC Oct 2018 #58

In my opinion... 4nic8em Oct 2018 #61

YIKES!! aeromanKC Oct 2018 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author dameatball Oct 2018 #53

I've got a little list... Turbineguy Oct 2018 #54

I've got no use for one, and will shortly be moving somewhere they're completely illegal. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2018 #57

As I generally characterize laws... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2018 #64

The mere question is still utterly horrifying and has no place in a democracy. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2018 #66

Control: In short, I'm against it. I mostly agree with what you said. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2018 #79

Actually, I really do have a legitimate use for one. JohnnyRingo Oct 2018 #60

Your point on remote and wild areas is well taken discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2018 #65

But a handgun is very useful for self defense JohnnyRingo Oct 2018 #69

AR-15 makes a great house defense gun. ManiacJoe Oct 2018 #73

Assault rifles use smaller ammo and are neither high power nor long range discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2018 #80

FPS muzzle velocity is much, much higher. JohnnyRingo Oct 2018 #82

Reiterating: my opinion... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2018 #87

Actually, for a number of reasons... ADX Oct 2018 #103

Good point JohnnyRingo Oct 2018 #110

I have sufficient armaments at present. Paladin Oct 2018 #75

Posting this today is like posting "What is the best car to drive drunk? Interested to hear." rzemanfl Oct 2018 #76

For shooting. Kali Oct 2018 #77

you posted this 3 hours after the shooting in Pittsburgh??? wtf CreekDog Oct 2018 #83

What is there to defend. ManiacJoe Oct 2018 #85

You're saying he could have done it with his bare hands? CreekDog Oct 2018 #86

All your years here and you still wallow in your ignorance regarding firearms. ManiacJoe Oct 2018 #93

Still taking those continuing ed classes in over reacting? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2018 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Oct 2018 #89

Kali's only post in the gun group this year was yesterday to say AR-15's are "for shooting" CreekDog Oct 2018 #90

I'm not one of those that goes for the alert button and I'm not alerting this... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2018 #91

i described her post fairly and accurately. i broke no rules or community standards CreekDog Oct 2018 #92

You never change do you? Kali Oct 2018 #94

As I said, your stupid OP was at the top of the Latest page when I opened DU. Kali Oct 2018 #95

I have zero Lithos Oct 2018 #78

It's a launching device for 5.56mm caliber bullets, primarily. krispos42 Nov 2018 #111

It is more than a calibre Lithos Nov 2018 #112

And this is the ammunition performing, not the rifle krispos42 Nov 2018 #116

The AR-15 suits the needs and fantasies of way too many mass killers. Paladin Nov 2018 #113

Taking away the AR-15 doesn't solve the problem krispos42 Nov 2018 #114

Which one? ileus Oct 2018 #81

If I believed you were genuinely objectively interested I would be tempted to answer as I own... Marengo Oct 2018 #99

So I can fight off the Army Marines Navy Airforce underpants Oct 2018 #101

Yes, as so many have said "they're for killing people." That is the point A DAY IN THE LIFE Oct 2018 #102

Quail hunting? gay texan Oct 2018 #104

I should start by confessing... better Oct 2018 #105

Several years ago I owned a small farm and had a few Tennessee Walkers for trail riding. I also dameatball Oct 2018 #107

Why even try to justify ownership of such a weapon? Doodley Oct 2018 #108

Whatever reason I choose. It's none of your business. n/t X_Digger Dec 2018 #117

You're right, it isn't. The rules here say that posts favoring Republicans should be kept to oneself CreekDog Dec 2018 #118

When did you become the Secretary of Need? X_Digger Dec 2018 #119

I thought you started this thread with good intent Alea Dec 2018 #121

I have posted a copy of your second post at Democratic Underground below CreekDog Dec 2018 #122

Oh dear, one of your posts has not aged well CreekDog Dec 2018 #123

Uh oh, you came here to back up X_Digger's post CreekDog Dec 2018 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Alea Dec 2018 #125

liberal, progressive, supporter of social democracy CreekDog Dec 2018 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author Alea Dec 2018 #134

here's another example where X_Digger was joining your argument in a subthread CreekDog Dec 2018 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author Alea Dec 2018 #138

Make up for Their tiny penises Soxfan58 Dec 2018 #126

No dick here and I deployed 3 times to the middle east Alea Dec 2018 #127

I am still thinking of a reason...still nothing comes to mind...nt SWBTATTReg Dec 2018 #128

My "used to be friends" would take it out at every gathering Ferrets are Cool Dec 2018 #129

I don't have a problem with the AR -15 if we have proper licensing and AJT Dec 2018 #132

AR-15 style rifle is the preferred weapon of choice for killing schoolchildren. keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #136

From the witness stand: discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #139

That is like saying ManiacJoe Dec 2018 #140

The people using it think so. keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #141

Most likely not. ManiacJoe Dec 2018 #142

What a coincidence that so many seek it out. keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #143

For example? ManiacJoe Dec 2018 #144

I posted this on Topix before it was shutdown. Smackdown2019 Dec 2018 #145

Concept of this Smackdown2019 Dec 2018 #146

Never thought we would DashOneBravo Jan 2019 #148

I don't need one Wolf Frankula Feb 2019 #149

By that logic ... Straw Man Feb 2019 #150

That could be true, depending on the situation, gejohnston Feb 2019 #152

To defeat the entire US military....all by myself underpants Feb 2019 #151

You're blessed, yagotme Feb 2019 #155