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Straw Man

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41. You don't know what a straw man argument is, apparently.
Fri Aug 31, 2018, 12:25 AM
Aug 2018

It involves misrepresenting your interlocutor's position. I haven't done that. I've corrected your faulty or incomplete information. That's a whole different thing.

The assault rifle, from its inception, was designed to be easy to fire, it is. The M16/AR15 especially.

The assault rifle was designed to be a select-fire rifle with a detachable magazine. The 5.56 round was adopted in the '60s to make assault rifles easier to fire and to enable soldiers to carry more ammo. The Europeans persisted with .308/7.62 assault rifles for 30 more years. Somehow it didn't seem to be that much of a problem.

I stand by the fact that larger and heavier centerfire rounds have penetration that exceeds that of the .223/5.56. It's elementary ballistics. The faster, lighter rounds penetrate less but do more tissue damage. Paddock used both .223 and .308 rifles -- nine of the rifles found in Paddock's room were .308, and eight of those were semi-auto.

https://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/list-guns-and-evidence-from-las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/las-vegas-horror-stephen-paddock-ended-massacre-with-his-tiniest-weapon/news-story/b786741b6ae8f7d657164999f02d96c0?nk=9e364eec3a824298877883cde532743d-1535692942

Unless the autopsy doctors were recovering intact bullets -- which is highly unlikely -- they couldn't know for certain which rounds made which wounds. Could Paddock have accomplished his spree with .30-caliber weapons? Of course he could, because he did -- at least partially.

When mass shootings are done by re-loaders, we'll worry about that then.

Paddock purchased some of his ammunition from a reloader.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/charges-file-man-sold-stephen-paddock-ammunition/

Shall we worry about it now?

I repeat: Your premise doesn't hold water.

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Gunsplaining to conservatives [View all] 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 OP
Today's infantry doesn't have full auto rifles. flamin lib Aug 2018 #1
Yeah, bitd, the M16 I shot in basic had the full auto option 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #4
All branches except ship board Navy which flamin lib Aug 2018 #5
Heh 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #6
DC... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #17
three round burst, gejohnston Aug 2018 #13
The Army has dumped the 3 round burst for the most part Alea Sep 2018 #42
Were you planning to get to a point? needledriver Aug 2018 #2
Sorry if it didn't come across 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #3
Of course it is - not. needledriver Aug 2018 #7
Well, I think I'm adding clarity. 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #8
The M14 has a selector switch needledriver Aug 2018 #10
As mentioned 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #12
That's as may be. needledriver Aug 2018 #15
Not all M14's had the selector removed Alea Sep 2018 #43
So ... Straw Man Aug 2018 #9
Querulous much? 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #11
Erroneous much? Straw Man Aug 2018 #35
Of course it is - Stephen Paddock couldn't have shot 600 people in 10 minutes with a .30 caliber rif gejohnston Aug 2018 #16
about gunsplaining: gejohnston Aug 2018 #14
You're just not understanding the process discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #18
Usual conservative chaff 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #22
Reminds me of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #24
Yeah, ge, you're right. flamin lib Aug 2018 #23
You clearly missed the point gejohnston Aug 2018 #28
You certainly are full of yourself. flamin lib Aug 2018 #29
everything you said gejohnston Aug 2018 #30
Oh, I see, flamin lib Aug 2018 #31
Don't look too honestly in a mirror. oneshooter Aug 2018 #32
The 7.62x 39 AK round is NOT a shortened 7.62X54R cartridge. oneshooter Aug 2018 #19
First insert magic wand... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #20
Same caliber, shorter cartridge with less powder. 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #21
You were wrong. oneshooter Aug 2018 #27
regarding... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #25
This issue has been rendered moot, of course, J_William_Ryan Aug 2018 #26
There are undoubtedly a good number of gun owners who voted for Trump... spin Aug 2018 #34
So its not a machine gun. aikoaiko Aug 2018 #33
recoil the rub, gun headaches may result jimmy the one Aug 2018 #36
you're opinion here would be interesting discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #37
Thanks for the thoughtful reply 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #38
Hmm ... Straw Man Aug 2018 #39
You do specialize with strawman arguments, don't you? 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #40
You don't know what a straw man argument is, apparently. Straw Man Aug 2018 #41
5.56 vs 7.62 jimmy the one Sep 2018 #45
The 5.56 is not a good short range SD ammo discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2018 #46
This post is why people that can't gunsplain shouldn't gunsplain Alea Sep 2018 #44
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