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Straw Man

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35. Erroneous much?
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 03:20 AM
Aug 2018
The M1 carbine round, as you know, was not the full size rifle round, more akin to the shorts developed by the Germans and Russians for their assault rifles, and for the same reason, to make a weapon that was easier to fire, and easier to fire rapidly.

Correct. But your reference was to a ".30 caliber rifle," with no further clarification like ".30-06" or ".308". Now you want to get specific. OK, go ahead: List your offending calibers and tell us what you want to do about them.

Take Adam Lanza, skinny, bed room abiding, muscle tone of a ghost - reportedly put @ 10 bullets into each of his tiny victims, shooting them to pieces. Couldn't have done it with any .308, would've taken his arm off.

Taken his arm off? Hyperbole is not your friend. Bruised his shoulder and sprayed a lot of bullets around wildly, yes. In any case, we weren't talking about Lanza. We were talking about Stephen Paddock, who appeared to be of average size and strength. So you want to define "assault rifle" as "a semi-auto that skinny people can use"? How is that definition supposed to be useful?

When the U.S. created a weapon capable of full auto for the 30.06 round, to be hand carried, the result was the BAR, weighing in at over 21 lbs.

Yes -- in 1917. By 1959 the US had created the M14, which weighed half that and fired a comparable round: .308 NATO. And did you not see the video of the .308 50-round mag dump that I posted? No controllability issue for an adult of average strength.

It's only with the development of rounds for assault rifles, that any kid can have a weapon capable of such mass murder.

And again I have to ask: Is your point to define "assault rifle" as "a semi-auto rifle that kids can use"? Why? What possible purpose does that serve?

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Gunsplaining to conservatives [View all] 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 OP
Today's infantry doesn't have full auto rifles. flamin lib Aug 2018 #1
Yeah, bitd, the M16 I shot in basic had the full auto option 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #4
All branches except ship board Navy which flamin lib Aug 2018 #5
Heh 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #6
DC... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #17
three round burst, gejohnston Aug 2018 #13
The Army has dumped the 3 round burst for the most part Alea Sep 2018 #42
Were you planning to get to a point? needledriver Aug 2018 #2
Sorry if it didn't come across 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #3
Of course it is - not. needledriver Aug 2018 #7
Well, I think I'm adding clarity. 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #8
The M14 has a selector switch needledriver Aug 2018 #10
As mentioned 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #12
That's as may be. needledriver Aug 2018 #15
Not all M14's had the selector removed Alea Sep 2018 #43
So ... Straw Man Aug 2018 #9
Querulous much? 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #11
Erroneous much? Straw Man Aug 2018 #35
Of course it is - Stephen Paddock couldn't have shot 600 people in 10 minutes with a .30 caliber rif gejohnston Aug 2018 #16
about gunsplaining: gejohnston Aug 2018 #14
You're just not understanding the process discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #18
Usual conservative chaff 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #22
Reminds me of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #24
Yeah, ge, you're right. flamin lib Aug 2018 #23
You clearly missed the point gejohnston Aug 2018 #28
You certainly are full of yourself. flamin lib Aug 2018 #29
everything you said gejohnston Aug 2018 #30
Oh, I see, flamin lib Aug 2018 #31
Don't look too honestly in a mirror. oneshooter Aug 2018 #32
The 7.62x 39 AK round is NOT a shortened 7.62X54R cartridge. oneshooter Aug 2018 #19
First insert magic wand... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #20
Same caliber, shorter cartridge with less powder. 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #21
You were wrong. oneshooter Aug 2018 #27
regarding... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #25
This issue has been rendered moot, of course, J_William_Ryan Aug 2018 #26
There are undoubtedly a good number of gun owners who voted for Trump... spin Aug 2018 #34
So its not a machine gun. aikoaiko Aug 2018 #33
recoil the rub, gun headaches may result jimmy the one Aug 2018 #36
you're opinion here would be interesting discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #37
Thanks for the thoughtful reply 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #38
Hmm ... Straw Man Aug 2018 #39
You do specialize with strawman arguments, don't you? 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #40
You don't know what a straw man argument is, apparently. Straw Man Aug 2018 #41
5.56 vs 7.62 jimmy the one Sep 2018 #45
The 5.56 is not a good short range SD ammo discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2018 #46
This post is why people that can't gunsplain shouldn't gunsplain Alea Sep 2018 #44
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