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krispos42

(49,445 posts)
45. There are about a million ways a scenario could play out at your office
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 09:29 AM
Jul 2018

Everything from "random gunfire from passing vehicle" to "local militia attacks headquarters looking for child sex ring in basement".

Everything is variable because your hypothetical attackers will be amateurs. Motivation, determination, goals, plans, contingency plans, preparation, and equipment can range from "this seemed like a good idea last week when we were drunk" to "we are Christian warriors on a mission for the unborn". They may seek to avoid the cops, or seek to engage them in a high-drama, media-friendly hostage situation.

Regardless, your purpose in carrying concealed is to protect YOU. You're not Rambo, John McClane, Harry Tasker, or Martin Riggs.

And you're going to be surprised when this happens, whatever it is. Remember that. There will be no warning.


So, first question: are you willing to kill one or more people to protect yourself and others?

If the answer to that is "no", then I would suggest getting a big can of bear-grade pepper spray. Blasting the room full of choking gas will probably end whatever is going on, but will indiscriminately incapacitate people. Might be a good thing; your amateur attackers, facing this unexpected action, will probably abort their "mission" and run away before the cops show up. Panicked people streaming for the exits to escape the spray will deny them any control. This also gives you a chance to call 911.


If you answer "yes", then you should probably first review the rules that you volunteer under. It's very possible there's a "no guns" policy there. If you choose to break policy and carry anyway, then be aware you risk losing your position, at the minimum. This also means "concealed is concealed". Always have the gun on you, always, and never tell anybody you have one.

Your gun should be revolver-simple to operate because you don't want to be dealing with safeties and hammers when there's a crisis. The Glock pistol is the archetype of this: no separate safety lever to move, no hammer to worry about cocking, consistent trigger press shot-to-shot. There are lots of Glock-type pistols on the market. Or you could carry a hammerless revolver for the same reasons.

The gun should be as big as you can comfortably conceal. A gun with a single-stack magazine will be thinner than a double-stack magazine, so keep that in mind. It should be rounded and smooth so it won't snag on clothing.

There are lots of these types of guns available. Try several to get a feeling for what works best with your ergonomic needs. Gun ranges often have gun rentals, so you can try out several brands and models for fit and function right there at the range.

Once you decide what you want, don't forget to shop the used-gun market. You should be able to find a reasonably new used gun for a decent price.

Laser signs are very small and light nowadays, and generally help, especially shooting from a weird position (such as hiding behind a desk).

Caliber should be .380 ACP or 9mm Luger for a pistol. For a revolver get a .38 Special +P or a .357 Magnum, or a .327 Federal Magnum. The .327 will usually give you one more round of capacity compared to a .38/.357 (e.g., 6 rounds versus 5). You can go bigger but the recoil can start to get fierce.

Revolvers give you options for power levels for practice as well as carry because they do not rely on the power of the cartridge to operate a mechanism, and they are backwards-compatible with older cartridges.

.38 Special +P can also shoot regular .38 Special cartridges.
.357 Magnum can also shoot .38 Special (regular or +P).
.327 Fed Mag can also shoot lower powered .32 H&R Magnum cartridges.

Carry a reload, and carry a flashlight. Use defense-designed ammo from a reputable manufacturer. Make sure it's intended for a gun of your size; smaller guns have shorter barrels and a lower muzzle velocity. Ammo makers design bullets based on this now, so do a little research. For example, Hornady makes a 9mm Critical Duty cartridge (designed for guns with a 4" barrel, that is, a standard police sidearm) and a 9mm Critical Defense cartridge (designed for guns with a 3" barrel, that is, most concealable guns).

Practice! A lot! If possible, do some competitive shooting, where you have to shoot from cover and do tactical reloads and stuff.

Know the self-defense laws in your state! And if, god forbid you actually have to use the gun, lawyer up! You'll want time to come to terms with events before you make a statement, and you'll want your lawyer there to keep you from saying something dumb.


A sampling of guns to think about, in no particular order.

Springfield Armory XD-S and XD-E pistols
Ruger LCP, LCP II, EC9, LP9, and LCP380 pistols
Ruger LCR, LCRx, and SP101 revolvers
Smith & Wesson M&P Shield, M&P Bodyguard pistols
Smith & Wesson M&P Bodyguard 38, Model 640, Model 642 revolvers
Glock 43 pistol
Walther PPS, PPS M2, and CCP pistols

seems like a bad idea to have a gun unless you have a lot of training bobbieinok Jul 2018 #1
Also a bad idea not to have a gun if someone comes through the door with a gun and a grudge. hay rick Jul 2018 #4
You'll get no flak from me Downtown Hound Jul 2018 #2
One of my basic questions. hay rick Jul 2018 #6
Glock .45 or .40 cal Downtown Hound Jul 2018 #18
Save your money leanforward Jul 2018 #3
Longtime Gun Guy here .. PBC_Democrat Jul 2018 #5
Longtime gun girl here Runningdawg Jul 2018 #27
Truth. All of it. The Mouth Jul 2018 #30
Like you, I prefer a small .38 revolver. ... spin Oct 2018 #61
Don't bother unless you are prepared to know how to use proficiently... Thomas Hurt Jul 2018 #7
In 2016 we had a Security Guard during office hours. Wellstone ruled Jul 2018 #8
Camera is a good idea. hay rick Jul 2018 #10
I wouldn't volunteer. WhiteTara Jul 2018 #9
It's a difficult situation. hay rick Jul 2018 #11
Hardening the office is a much better idea Phoenix61 Jul 2018 #12
I agree. Securing the office is a better idea than carrying a gun. FuzzyRabbit Jul 2018 #15
Have the landlord install a digital lock. Wellstone ruled Jul 2018 #16
Preparing for a shooter. FuzzyRabbit Jul 2018 #13
Thank you, FuzzyRabbit. This is informative. The Wielding Truth Aug 2018 #54
Since you have never shot a gun, you probably can't accurately shoot. StTimofEdenRoc Jul 2018 #14
I have shot guns, I just haven't owned one. hay rick Jul 2018 #17
Knives are very deadly. Straw Man Jul 2018 #42
First question is who is in charge of the office? sarisataka Jul 2018 #19
That's some seriously good advice discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2018 #23
Thanks for the thoughtful comments. hay rick Jul 2018 #24
You are safer without one. Scruffy1 Jul 2018 #20
Would your office allow you rwheeler31 Jul 2018 #21
If you need a gun, hire a professional Sedona Jul 2018 #22
Yes, a highly trained armed guard. oneshooter Jul 2018 #25
You get what you pay for Sedona Jul 2018 #32
Why not train themselves to a higher standard? It can (and ought to if one is carrying, imo) be done friendly_iconoclast Jul 2018 #46
Expensive oneshooter Jul 2018 #47
rick, first posted in RKBA? saidsimplesimon Jul 2018 #26
I posted here because I am seeking input from people who are knowledgeable about guns. hay rick Jul 2018 #34
I would not want to volunteer with someone with a gun. Sorry, I vote No - don't do it. JDC Jul 2018 #28
I am sure you can get training get the red out Jul 2018 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author The Mouth Jul 2018 #31
Glock 19 or small six shooter and a biometric pistol safe Alea Jul 2018 #33
Thank you for your advice. hay rick Jul 2018 #35
Before you thank me Alea Jul 2018 #36
A pariah on DU? hay rick Jul 2018 #37
You will always be welcome here Alea Jul 2018 #38
OMG, I'm doomed. hay rick Jul 2018 #39
my $0.02 marshmallow_man Jul 2018 #40
For post #9 in your history here True Dough Aug 2018 #60
Very bad idea. I've been around firearms my entire life. I do not want you to ... marble falls Jul 2018 #41
good point marshmallow_man Jul 2018 #43
The Myth busters may help you make a decision. fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #44
There are about a million ways a scenario could play out at your office krispos42 Jul 2018 #45
May I recommend a CZ PCR. ileus Jul 2018 #48
I read sweetapogee Jul 2018 #49
Don't do it. SQUEE Aug 2018 #50
You would need MONTHS to years of training to be ready for any of the encounters you are worried abo gejohnston Aug 2018 #55
I assume the poster will not being doing 8 hour days SQUEE Aug 2018 #58
it doesn't take that much gejohnston Aug 2018 #59
hay rick, NO saidsimplesimon Aug 2018 #51
Get one and a permit if you must. Do not ever tell anyone you have the permit or are brewens Aug 2018 #52
I would try going to your local police station Eko Aug 2018 #53
just a few things gejohnston Aug 2018 #56
.38 Wheel gun bottomofthehill Aug 2018 #57
Compact auto gunsmoker Jan 2019 #66
Get the training first before carrying a gun. You don't have enough time for this election year. Kaleva Oct 2018 #62
Thanks. I agree. hay rick Oct 2018 #64
I think you have made a wise choice. Kaleva Oct 2018 #65
I spent months doing research before making a purchase. Kaleva Oct 2018 #63
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