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tortoise1956

(671 posts)
65. actually, no...
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 01:46 AM
Feb 2018

Secondhand smoke is not the great killer that it was reputed to be in the past. See the following article from Slate:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2017/02/secondhand_smoke_isn_t_as_bad_as_we_thought.html

With that in mind, would you at least consider that perhaps guns are not the root of all evil? That in fact, schools are safer now than they were in the past? And that active shooters in schools are responsible for a vanishingly small percentage of school-related deaths? (See following link):

http://safehavensinternational.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Relative_Risks_of_Death_in_US_K-12_Schools.pdf

Finally, contrary to popular opinion, semi-automatic AR-15 model rifles are popular varmint rifles. they are especially good for using on feral pigs and coyotes. For deer, not so much - the .223 cartridge is not very powerful, contrary to the media hype.

Full disclosure:

It's been 35 years since I hunted a living critter, all I do nowadays is shoot holes in paper and break clay pigeons. I mainly collect old weapons, shotguns and .22 rifle in the main. Most of my rifles are either bolt- or lever-action, because that's what I learned to shoot with and that's what I feel most comfortable with. I guess by some standards, I own an arsenal, especially since I have at least 5K rounds of ammunition in my .22 rifle cabinet. (All .22 caliber rounds, 7 or 8 different types, which I use for accuracy testing my old rifles once I have disassembled, cleaned and reassembled them)

I own 2 AR-15 platform weapons, 1 in .223 Wylde and 1 in 6.5 Grendel. The main reason I bought them was to learn about them, and to see what they were like. Frankly, I don't care for them that much. The gas-impingement system means that they run dirty and are a pain in the ass to keep clean, which to someone like me who was taught to clean his weapon after every use is just plain wrong. However, whether I like them or not, they are simply a tool, and one which is very useful in pest control in rural areas.

Last point - it's your life, and you are the one who determines who you associate with. Don't let anyone try to tell you differently. However, you might want to consider that if you ban anyone who is even remotely tied to guns from your presence, you've created an echo chamber...

How many friendships have you had to end [View all] flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 OP
Bff from high school since 1975 DUgosh Feb 2018 #1
What's the definition of gun fever? Watchfoxheadexplodes Feb 2018 #2
Sounds like you prefer to live in a self-imposed bubble, honestly. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #3
Not what OP said at all. I think you only understood .223% of it. flamin lib Feb 2018 #5
He's cut ties with "dozens" of people, including close friends. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #8
I think you took a few liberties there flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #12
Just going by what you said, mate. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #15
Your awesome math notwithstanding flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #35
Who's trying to disprove your legitimacy? I'm taking you at 100% face value. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #38
You do know that we can read the shit you said about me above, right? flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #41
"Mildly" civil. That's a step above "indifferent" and significantly above "actively hostile." Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #42
Lol. flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #46
You can't take the gun demagoguery out of it. The OP is separating him/herself from flamin lib Feb 2018 #25
But smokers do not spend all their waking moments telling you about the wonders of tobacco DBoon Feb 2018 #29
There is a similarity in that secondhand smoke flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #37
actually, no... tortoise1956 Feb 2018 #65
"Gun nuttery affects...." guillaumeb Feb 2018 #54
I don't think that's the only answer... tortoise1956 Feb 2018 #67
Not knowing what "gun fever" is, I'd still say "none." I treasure those with whom I can dig into WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #4
My shooting friends are mature educated professions. So "none" would be my answer. nt hack89 Feb 2018 #6
Not all my friends melm00se Feb 2018 #7
If I cut ties with my trump supporter friends and family Watchfoxheadexplodes Feb 2018 #9
I'm really sorry to hear that flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #13
I'll try again. flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #10
So gun fever equals no compromise? Watchfoxheadexplodes Feb 2018 #14
Excellent explanation. Paladin Feb 2018 #16
Thanks for that. I feel like I stumbled into a bees nest flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #19
There's plenty of misunderstanding at this locale. You're not part of it. (nt) Paladin Feb 2018 #20
Nope, you're right on target, mate. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #22
Have you considered agreeing to disagree with them? Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #17
Of course. But I don't tolerate bullying flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #24
It's not that we're "meaner", Flibbity, we're just tired of having to fight on two fronts. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #31
Ever receive death threats from "the batshit lunatic fringe of the left wing"? Paladin Feb 2018 #36
Of course. Right here on DU, from the Gun Control side. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #39
Are some posters on DU sarisataka Feb 2018 #49
I believe the phrase that got one such poster banned was ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #63
Well here's a thought flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #44
The people that want to arm teachers have a terrible idea krispos42 Mar 2018 #75
None, and what is this "gun fever"? To quote the sage, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2018 #11
Tell the parents of the children who got killed to lighten up flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #30
No sarisataka Feb 2018 #18
You'll stop caring how many people die flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #21
I never stop caring how many people die sarisataka Feb 2018 #23
Well then it sounds like you are very lucky flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #27
Never again has a very different meaning to me. SQUEE Feb 2018 #69
Had to end 3 MFM008 Feb 2018 #26
When I was single I stopped dating a guy because he loved taking his gun everywhere kimbutgar Feb 2018 #28
Sounds like you made a sensible decision... tortoise1956 Feb 2018 #66
No in the cooler kimbutgar Feb 2018 #70
At least 5, 2 were good friends from high school. redstatebluegirl Feb 2018 #32
Who initiated those gun control discussions, them or you? Always Right Feb 2018 #33
Glad you asked! They initiated. flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #40
Since we are having a civilized conversation, what do you propose specifically? Always Right Feb 2018 #43
Sounds like you have some answers right in your post flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #45
All ideas are welcome Always Right Feb 2018 #47
Oh and prohibit the NRA from funding politicians flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #48
If you "prohibit the NRA from funding politicians" oneshooter Feb 2018 #50
I'm cool with that flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #55
Ah, yes. Straw Man Feb 2018 #64
IIRC, the Journal News had some of the dish they were serving fed back to them... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #71
None Alea Feb 2018 #34
None. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2018 #51
ZERO ..... LenaBaby61 Feb 2018 #52
None for gun fever. Several for "other" reasons... Kajun Gal Feb 2018 #53
Zero. None of my friends or family are gun nuts. SharonClark Feb 2018 #56
Sounds like chumpchange Feb 2018 #57
Yeah pretty shallow, dumping a gun nut flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #58
I read what you wrote chumpchange Feb 2018 #59
I routinely block people out of my life who travel with guns or post pictures of themselves MaryMagdaline Feb 2018 #60
Personally, I would never alter a friendship on the basis of politics The Mouth Feb 2018 #61
That sounds about right to me. Straw Man Feb 2018 #62
Why would... Puha Ekapi_2 Feb 2018 #68
None...that would be silly. ileus Feb 2018 #72
zero, gejohnston Mar 2018 #73
None ileus Mar 2018 #74
Just one... sweetloukillbot Mar 2018 #76
None. Snackshack Mar 2018 #77
I was out with a friend this week MichMary Mar 2018 #78
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