Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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78. I'm don't think that's a fair assumption.

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 05:05 AM

Feb 2018

Despite those concerns, the White House says Mr. Bush supports the extension of the current law -- a position that has put him in opposition to the N.R.A. and left many gun owners angry and dumbfounded.

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REINSTATE THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN! [View all] poli-junkie Feb 2018 OP

Agreed! Snackshack Feb 2018 #1

The 2004 ban was too lenient samir.g Feb 2018 #2

I infer that you mean the 1994 ban which expired in '04 discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #16

Yes, the 94-94 ban samir.g Feb 2018 #20

Ban 'em! poli-junkie Feb 2018 #3

Do it. MontanaMama Feb 2018 #4

Let's add this -- RandomAccess Feb 2018 #5

What an idiotic tweet hack89 Feb 2018 #8

No, ARs are idiotic. And should be banned. Again. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #11

Go read the actual law - you are wrong. hack89 Feb 2018 #13

Nothing I said is wrong. The fact is, mass shootings doubled after the ban expired. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #19

Read your own link hack89 Feb 2018 #22

You do not and cannot dispute that mass shootings doubled after the expiration of the AWB. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #24

The point is it had nothing to do with the number of guns hack89 Feb 2018 #26

The point is the AWB saved lives. Without it killings doubled. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #28

The AR-15 and AR-10 were banned by the AWB Kaleva Feb 2018 #39

Colt made the Target Match rifle hack89 Feb 2018 #44

The AWB was so full of loopholes it was ineffective IMO Kaleva Feb 2018 #45

And how are you going to pay for them, once they are banned? oneshooter Feb 2018 #6

Ask the billionaires world wide wally Feb 2018 #7

I say we make Mexico pay for them n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #14

K & R SunSeeker Feb 2018 #9

Yes, and immediately ban the sale of ammunition. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #10

Please define "assault ammunition" discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #15

This and the ammunition that goes with it. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #17

I'm very sorry discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #23

I understand there are many "assault" type weapons mountain grammy Feb 2018 #30

I hope your granddaughters remain safe and have great experiences in their schools discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #34

And yet ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #35

Target practice maybe, but hunting? mountain grammy Feb 2018 #37

They are used many places to hunt wild hogs discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #38

No wild hogs in our neck of the woods. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #42

No wild hogs? Lucky you. Straw Man Feb 2018 #50

Not big game. There are other kinds of hunting. Straw Man Feb 2018 #40

Colorado. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #41

Please explain. Straw Man Feb 2018 #49

really, I'm just babbling.. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #53

may I recommend gejohnston Feb 2018 #54

Fishing.. now there's something I can relate to.. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #55

Let's try this again. Straw Man Feb 2018 #57

Follow-up shots. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #92

And I think all of you can take your semi autos and shove em.. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #97

Don't hold back. Tell us what you REALLY think ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #100

It can't be discussed rationally,there's no excuse for not reinstating the AWB. Body counts rising mountain grammy Feb 2018 #109

I've been discussing it rationally. Straw Man Feb 2018 #111

AWB didn't ban semi-autos. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #146

Then give up on me already.. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #148

I don't give up on people. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #150

Colorado put a limit on magazine size in 2013. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #154

Most of the time that restriction wouldnt' affect me. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #155

The onus would be on the prosecutors, and as noted there's no way to make it stick... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #166

Yeah, about that: "Many Circumventing Colorado High-Capacity Magazine Ban" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #164

I'll let my wife know. I'm sure she'll appreciate your opinion. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #145

And one more question about that. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #43

I think you're missing the point. Straw Man Feb 2018 #48

The AR-10 is used on big game. The AR-15 is too small, and illegal in most states for use against AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #91

This is a very good argument for understanding better Feb 2018 #143

The ammunition that goes with it ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #51

The 1994 ban only banned the sale of new ones discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #12

Dems should point to past ban poli-junkie Feb 2018 #18

re: " I think most people dont know there WAS AN ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #25

The ban was and remains a dumb idea. krispos42 Feb 2018 #21

Nope. The ban did not boost gun sales. Your own graph proves it. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #27

I said "tactical rifles". krispos42 Feb 2018 #31

Gore got more votes than Bush in Florida, SCOTUS just didn't let them count all of Gore votes. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #32

And why was it so close? why was is close enough to steal? krispos42 Feb 2018 #46

No, pretending to be like conservative gun nuts will not get us elected. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #47

I didn't say that, did I? krispos42 Feb 2018 #52

Assualt weapons themselves are a "bullshit PR stunt" sold to insecure men. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #56

Just checking ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #58

You highlighted it, yet you can't see it? SunSeeker Feb 2018 #59

Which features are dangerous? discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #60

The whole package. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #61

Excellent answer; completely devoid of facts and details discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #62

I gave you facts. You chose to ignore them. I'm not going to play that game. Bye. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #63

Have a nice life discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #64

Thanks for the confirmation. Straw Man Feb 2018 #65

Nope. The whole package. You'll have to find someone else to be your straw man, Straw Man. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #67

I guess you need to be reminded of what you said. Straw Man Feb 2018 #73

No, you need to stop ignoring words. What part of "Not only that..." do you not understand? SunSeeker Feb 2018 #74

You can keep digging, but you won't find a way out of your hole. Straw Man Feb 2018 #75

You're being intentionally obtuse. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #76

No, actually, I'm not. Straw Man Feb 2018 #79

Actually, choosing not to play your diversion game is the opposite of evasive. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #80

Diversion? What am I "diverting" from? Straw Man Feb 2018 #81

That the cosmetic features of the AR-15 are exactly what sells them to murderous nuts. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #82

I get advertising sells discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #83

Playing tag team eh? Enough with the GOP talking points. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #84

Thanks for the polite answer discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #85

Laws work as controls. That's why we have laws. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #87

And laws have to have specific goals ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #90

The old AWB kept mass killings below half of what they are today. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #99

Do tell. Straw Man Feb 2018 #107

Well, at least you admit there is correlation. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #113

Correlation can be meaningless: mere coincidence. Straw Man Feb 2018 #117

Not a "mere coincidence" when AWB's work in every developed country. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #119

Since when was Norway kicked out of the developed world? Straw Man Feb 2018 #124

You have to reach back all the way to 2011 for a Norway's one mass shooting. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #125

And you missed the point again. Straw Man Feb 2018 #128

No, I didn't miss the point. All those countries have the same societal problems we do. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #134

Wrong. Straw Man Feb 2018 #165

Murderers already violate laws against murder; why would they obey others? MichMan Feb 2018 #105

What about the laws that have been on the books for centuries making murder illegal? MichMan Feb 2018 #106

The gun fan tag team gets bigger! So, MichMan, should we legalize murder? SunSeeker Feb 2018 #114

What new laws would people that murder decide to obey ? MichMan Feb 2018 #115

Criminals don't obey laws so why have any laws, eh MichMan? SunSeeker Feb 2018 #116

We need to get a few things straight discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #162

"GOP (NRA) talking point(s)" are the Left version of "fake news": thought-terminating cliches friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #133

You're going to have to do better than that. Straw Man Feb 2018 #86

You do not want an AWB, so spare me your concerns about what would "help." nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #88

And you want an AWB even if it wouldn't help. Straw Man Feb 2018 #89

Not me. You're projecting. "Ideological absolutism" is the NRA's game. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #95

Now we're just playing "Are not!/Are too!" games. Straw Man Feb 2018 #101

More projection. You must have a lot of time on your hands. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #102

Run out of counter-arguments? Straw Man Feb 2018 #108

You offered no argument to counter. Just diversion and insults. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #112

I have offered several arguments, with evidence to support them. Straw Man Feb 2018 #118

Diversionary NRA talking points are not arguments to the point I made. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #120

"NRA talking points" is a Trumpian "fake news" accusation designed to deflect and avoid. Straw Man Feb 2018 #122

No, NRA talking points are how you avoid addressing the fact that ARs are marketed to nuts. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #123

Doubling down on the deflection, eh? Straw Man Feb 2018 #126

More projection. Again, it is the whole package, function and form. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #127

And again and again ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #130

Some of the features you are referring to make the rifle much safer to use. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #94

Well thank GOD mass murderers can slaughter us safely. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #98

9+ million of them in circulation. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #144

one popular feature is it is easy OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #141

And, there we go. Micro-dick jokes. "These fucking idiots". "Rambo". krispos42 Feb 2018 #66

Nope, I am all for the most modern deadly ARs for our military. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #68

So, no actual response then. krispos42 Feb 2018 #69

I won't play the AR deflection game. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #70

Right, because when the emotional rhetoric fades, the facts hurt. krispos42 Feb 2018 #71

Gunners hope the horror of lives needlesly lost will fade. But it won't. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #72

The Military doesn't use the AR. They mostly use the M-4. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #93

The AR was originally designed for military use, not civilian use. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #96

The AR was designed to be a FULL-AUTO military weapon. Straw Man Feb 2018 #121

Bump stocks and easily acquired auto sears make your assertions pure sophistry. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #129

Pious fraud-"easily acquired auto sears" no longer exist. The Feds cracked down on them in 1986 friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #131

So ban bump stocks. I have no problem with that. Straw Man Feb 2018 #132

I, too have no problem with banning bump stocks. A ban would be Constitutionally sound, as... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #135

No, auto sears are not urban myths. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #136

Ah, yes, ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #138

Indeed, no mention was made of diming out the guy. That means one of four things: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #142

"I knew a gun nut who got one for his AR." You helped enable a felony, *if* you didn't call the ATF friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #139

You called the cops right? AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #149

No. It was 1989, he had a dealer's license and said it was legal for him to have it. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #156

Auto Sears have been regulated as a Machine Gun and registered since 1934. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #157

No, pre-11-1-81, drop-in auto sears for AR-15s weren't regulated. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #159

After that date, they are retroactively Machine Guns. Any rifle that had one installed is also retro AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #160

You left out the part where ARs *that they would fit into* were regulated at the same time... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #161

I have 3 AR rifles that I inhereted from my Dad. oneshooter Feb 2018 #171

This is the kind of catastrophic failure an AR can experience if you try to install an auto sear AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #158

We have a range here... Puha Ekapi_2 Feb 2018 #179

Wow, he's lucky he wasn't arrested, or at the least the rifle confiscated. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #181

Eh, this is on the rez... Puha Ekapi_2 Feb 2018 #182

That's actually pretty cool. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #183

Our tribal cops... Puha Ekapi_2 Feb 2018 #184

That's how it should be everywhere. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #185

You were conned, Sunny- and that post deserves a fisking. So here it is: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #163

My name is not "Sunny." You just can't help the mocking I guess. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #167

I've supported a slide stock ban for years. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #168

I canvas and phone bank. I got into this thread to support the OP. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #169

I've called you nothing. I've mansplained nothing to you. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #172

You derisively said "Cool story, bro" to me. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #173

You don't get to characterize it as 'jumping on' when the thread literally advertises itself in AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #174

I never called anyone a liar in this thread. You can't say the same. nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #175

I didn't call you a liar. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #176

There is no other way to read your "Cool story, bro" reply to me. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #178

You're wrong. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #180

By the way, the 7th Circuit Court invalidated the BATFE's grandfathering of pre1981 AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #177

I stand corrected, SunSeeker-however, everything else I said still applies friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #170

Bump stocks are legal, and available. Auto sears are tightly controlled, expensive, and not availabl AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #152

The production model supplied to the military was the M-16. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #147

The ban was a big factor in the making that type of weapons popular. PoliticAverse Feb 2018 #29

What's an "assault weapon"? discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #33

You have a fundamental error of fact. Straw Man Feb 2018 #36

To be fair DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2018 #77

I'm don't think that's a fair assumption. Straw Man Feb 2018 #78

I'm with you. leanforward Feb 2018 #103

More. Ban handguns. Like the UK, Canada, and Australia . sharedvalues Feb 2018 #104

Wrong again. Straw Man Feb 2018 #110

Banned in public. You can have them in your house IF trigger locked. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #187

Do you know what "ban" means? Straw Man Feb 2018 #188

Goal posts moved again... nt yagotme Feb 2018 #189

Ban ALL fucking weapons gopiscrap Feb 2018 #137

Start with easy stuff like sticks, rocks, and boards with nails through them friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #140

The idea of mixing fucking with weapons is puzzling. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #153

A butcher knife is a weapon. yagotme Feb 2018 #186

That's a good start! sfwriter Feb 2018 #151