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In reply to the discussion: Fewer guns mean fewer killings. We want a handgun ban. [View all]discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,578 posts)38. It's Monday, a new year and a good time to answer again
Why havent we banned handguns and other guns designed to kill people?
~ Because using the powers of the government to force people to get along is not only unconstitutional but just basically wrong.
~ Because there will always be a tool which can be characterized as the most common one used to murder. No matter how many are banned, this is not a justification.
~ Because a handgun is one of the most efficacious tools to use for personal defense, why is self-defense wrong?
Chicago, DC and New York: from what I've read NYC is doing much better and it was a ban of any kind that turned things around. I'm Philly native. I still live in the area. I'm not far from Camden, NJ. Look up that town crime and murder. It's easier to find chickens with dentures than it is to legally get a handgun in NJ. If you want a carry permit, just get hired by police department as a cop or the county as a deputy sheriff and you're all set. Getting a permit as a civilian is as easy as becoming Sly Stallone.
There are over 600,000,000 privately held firearms in the world today. More than half of those are here in the US.
Why is it, if murder is proportioned to firearm ownership, that we don't have half the world's murders?
Why don't we have even half the firearm murders?
The UK is often mentioned as an example of a country with a lower murder rate and lower rate firearm ownership than the US.
Why is the US NON-FIREARM murder rate is higher than the UK OVERALL murder rate?
If you're considering advocating for a federal law, consider:
- Federal laws need to work everywhere, not just in areas like Southeast DC and Anacostia. Federal laws need to work in Central Park and in the Katmai National Park. If that's too difficult of a problem and you don't want guns near you, you will have to pick a new country or create your own compound here in the US.
Don't be shy now. New Jersey might just be just what you need. Getting a gun here isn't easy. Maybe consider taking a walk around Virginia and Atlantic in Atlantic City after you drop a little cash at the tables. AC should be one of the safer places in the state as it is rather removed from both Philly and NYC by about 90 minutes.
I'm a consultant and I've worked in lot of places. Folks say that California has some really tight gun laws so maybe you might like hangin' out where I used stay when I was there. It's called Inglewood. It's very convenient being only a mile East of LAX.
You have a wonderful New Year
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Eliot Rosewater
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#23
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Jan 2018
#44
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tortoise1956
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So true. Scalia was an idealogue and a tool of billionaires. Koches funded his law school at GMU.
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Pope George Ringo II
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#80
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#36
Bear in mind the name 'NRA' is to some people what 'George Soros' and/or 'Saul Alinsky' is to others
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"We" meaning "Me and the three others that recc'd my OP"? Gonna need more than that...
friendly_iconoclast
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#18
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oneshooter
Jan 2018
#62
Yes, sorry to say. That position gets Americans in cities killed. Ban semiautos and handguns.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#118
Now this is about 'sovereignity'? Please. Guns kill Americans. We must stop that.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#134
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sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#116
Would you support a government mandate restricting the amount of meat consumed by Americans?
Marengo
Jan 2018
#148
Yup- gun industry is AFRAID of the data. They know what it will show. So they banned govt gun data.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#113
Ban handguns, semiautos. Donald Trump is the racist authoritarian and you are losing credibility.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#119
Yes. But the point is the gun industry was SO SCARED, they stopped research for 21 years
sharedvalues
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#122
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sharedvalues
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#127
It nicely summarizes how the GOP has stopped gun research they are afraid of.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#124
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sharedvalues
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#115
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yagotme
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#138
Yep, all it takes is one law and POOF, problem eliminated entirely and for forever.
Marengo
Jan 2018
#164
See above Washington Post article - GOP threatened CDC, who stopped funding gun research.
sharedvalues
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#114
If you are not for handgun restrictions (like Canada)-you're complicit. Sadly.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#172