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Always Right

(84 posts)
22. The NFA registry has its own issues
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 03:36 PM
Oct 2017

I am not taking a stance on banning anything either, rather I was pointing out that your definition of AW would include many guns not generally considered to fit in that category and I listed one specific military weapon which didn't fit in your category.

As for the NFA registry, it has lots of errors and they seem to be running 1980's technology as it can take upwards of a year to process the paperwork for a transfer and that is with just the present categories of NFA items. Adding many millions of new items to the registry would require an entirely new way to process transfers, not to mention greatly expanding the ATF budget to hire many more examiners. Now I'm not saying that this can't be done, rather I'm just saying that the NFA process isn't as nearly as simple as you think.

In fact, until just last year, all NFA paperwork required the signature of the local chief law enforcement officer. That requirement dated back to 1934 when there was no way for the federal government's clerk doing the transfer to be aware of any local laws that would forbid a person from possessing that item. However, today with computerized systems and instant check, it is easy to know on the spot. As most police chiefs would refuse to sign anything, the vast majority of people were prevented from any sort of NFA transfer. Of course that didn't apply to the rich and connected, they still got their signatures.

The only reason the signature was removed was because people were getting around it through other means and the ATF wanted to stop that as the new method not only opened up a challenge to the existing machine gun ban but actually avoided background checks.

My point being that if you are going to add things to NFA, you will need to fix the NFA process. Given that there are already instant background checks done at the point of sale of regular firearms, there isn't any reason the NFA process can't be instant as well. I suspect that you would see a lot less resistance to making stuff NFA if the NFA system were fixed.

As an aside, the LV shooter had a clean record and enough money that he certainly could have bought a full auto water cooled belt fed machine gun capable of sustained fire so adding semi-autos to the NFA wouldn't have stopped the LV shooting.

any loaded gun aimed at another human being is an assault weapon nt msongs Oct 2017 #1
Correct. Straw Man Oct 2017 #5
You win the internet Alea Oct 2017 #6
Thank you. Straw Man Oct 2017 #7
This could be any of my counter assault weapons. ileus Oct 2017 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #3
Simpler: Any semiauto centerfire rifle or brace-equipped-pistol capable of accepting detachable mags JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #4
Does this mean AR and AK pistols without braces would not be AWs? aikoaiko Oct 2017 #8
I suppose. Can't win 'em all. nt JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #9
What about... Always Right Oct 2017 #11
Same way Machine Guns can be Short barreled rifles without dual registration. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #12
So a SBR can have a bump stock? Always Right Oct 2017 #14
LOL, I don't think bump stocks are going to be around much longer. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #15
Over inclusive and under inclusive at the same time Always Right Oct 2017 #20
My definition (or post content) suggests banning nothing. It's just a definition. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #21
The NFA registry has its own issues Always Right Oct 2017 #22
New NFA process is just fine. People are just impatient. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #23
Eforms never worked right Always Right Oct 2017 #24
Simplicity is good, but... Adrahil Nov 2017 #45
Maybe not so simple. oneshooter Nov 2017 #47
Maybe not so simple. oneshooter Nov 2017 #48
Your definition of AW is too broad and at the same time over inclusive Always Right Oct 2017 #10
There's no point in reinventing the wheel in an effort to get around this Kaleva Oct 2017 #13
Pressure, in answer to your statement: yagotme Oct 2017 #16
Thanks for the info! Kaleva Oct 2017 #17
Welcome! n/t yagotme Oct 2017 #29
I would like to read your thoughts on how to avoid being an AW. Kaleva Oct 2017 #18
Not sure anyone can define semi-auto AW Always Right Oct 2017 #19
That maxim 50 is dumb as hell JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #25
You said in an earlier post that it was easy to get around what I proposed Kaleva Oct 2017 #26
I have a few basic questions discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #27
Some answers Kaleva Oct 2017 #28
And replies discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #30
Most every term in relation to guns is well understood except for assault weapons Kaleva Oct 2017 #31
Have you considered why that term is misunderstood and ill-defined? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #33
Semi-automatics have been around for decades. Kaleva Oct 2017 #34
Can you conceive of the color red? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #35
Your arguing in circles isn't going to be effective on me. Kaleva Oct 2017 #36
re: "Wouldn't it make sense to adapt a definition that addresses your main complaint... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #37
The term assault weapon is going to stay around. It's not going away. Kaleva Oct 2017 #38
I can really appreciate having a well defined term discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #39
My proposed definition isn't going to be adopted by anyone Kaleva Oct 2017 #40
For some, it would be any weapon not The Mouth Oct 2017 #32
What is the point of another artificial definition? ManiacJoe Nov 2017 #41
The term "assault weapon" is in very common use. Kaleva Nov 2017 #42
And whatever made-up definition used back then ManiacJoe Nov 2017 #46
Any semi-automatic firearm with a removable magazine. Simple, short, easy. flamin lib Nov 2017 #43
"Simple, short, easy." And impossible. But by all means try for your 'Prohibition 3.0' friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #44
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