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In reply to the discussion: What did the Founders mean... [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)101. I see ipsedixitism is now sharing space with 'proof by assertion'
Conventional wisdom is usually correct, it is NOT 'usually wrong' or 'almost always wrong' as you put it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipse_dixit
Ipse dixit -Latin for "he himself said it"- is an assertion without proof; or a dogmatic expression of opinion.
The fallacy of defending a proposition by baldly asserting that it is "just how it is" distorts the argument by opting out of it entirely: the claimant declares an issue to be intrinsic, and not changeable...
...In the late 18th century, Jeremy Bentham adapted the term ipse-dixit into the word ipse-dixitism
Bentham, Jeremy. (1834). Deontology; or, The science of morality, Vol. 1, p. 323; excerpt, "ipsedixitism ... comes down to us from an antique and high authority, -it is the principle recognised (so Cicero informs us) by the disciples of Pythagoras. Ipse {he, the master, Pythagoras), ipse dixit, -he has said it; the master has said that it is so; therefore, say the disciples of the illustrious sage, therefore so it is."
The fallacy of defending a proposition by baldly asserting that it is "just how it is" distorts the argument by opting out of it entirely: the claimant declares an issue to be intrinsic, and not changeable...
...In the late 18th century, Jeremy Bentham adapted the term ipse-dixit into the word ipse-dixitism
Bentham, Jeremy. (1834). Deontology; or, The science of morality, Vol. 1, p. 323; excerpt, "ipsedixitism ... comes down to us from an antique and high authority, -it is the principle recognised (so Cicero informs us) by the disciples of Pythagoras. Ipse {he, the master, Pythagoras), ipse dixit, -he has said it; the master has said that it is so; therefore, say the disciples of the illustrious sage, therefore so it is."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion
Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.[1] Sometimes, this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).[2] In other cases, its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.[3]
This fallacy is sometimes used as a form of rhetoric by politicians, or during a debate as a filibuster. In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing.[1] Modern politics contains many examples of proofs by assertion. This practice can be observed in the use of political slogans, and the distribution of "talking points", which are collections of short phrases that are issued to members of modern political parties for recitation to achieve maximum message repetition. The technique is also sometimes used in advertising.
This fallacy is sometimes used as a form of rhetoric by politicians, or during a debate as a filibuster. In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing.[1] Modern politics contains many examples of proofs by assertion. This practice can be observed in the use of political slogans, and the distribution of "talking points", which are collections of short phrases that are issued to members of modern political parties for recitation to achieve maximum message repetition. The technique is also sometimes used in advertising.
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So the French Navy was just there for show? Funny, I could've sworn it was them who ensured victory.
malchickiwick
Jun 2017
#4
US history is rife with examples of our leaders' mistakes and even crimes
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jun 2017
#10
This reply doesn't say anything about your thoughts on the subject...
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jun 2017
#18
Did you also note that 'everyone' else who isn't in the NG, is also a member of the militia?
jmg257
Jun 2017
#28
Meh- a prolix, badly formatted argumentum ad populum *and* sheer Colonism:
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2017
#93
The government "...derives its just powers from the consent of the governed..." n/t
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jun 2017
#11
History is filled with examples of people oppressed by Leaders who abuse their power
MedusaX
Jun 2017
#7
I can't say it better than most of the posters above have already said, but will add
Alea
Jun 2017
#8
Generally, Hamilton is good on this, yet his notion of a select militia didn't come about for
jmg257
Jun 2017
#9
Not really arguing anything, Jim - pointing out it is quite easy to know what the founders meant
jmg257
Jul 2017
#40
You have the right to express your opinion using any method available before 1792
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2017
#41
If that's true, then why aren't single shot firearms recommended over "self loading" models...
Marengo
Jul 2017
#45
"...(S)omething we do not need in modern society" Would that be the royal 'we', or...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2017
#46
A) GC&RKBA is not an 'amen chorus', and B) none of that bears upon what I posted
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2017
#58
Your opinion is welcome, however it is nonsensical and there is no obligation for anyone to accept..
Marengo
Jul 2017
#55
"Revolvers are for people who display poor marksmanship or who intend to kill multiple times."
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2017
#47
Should the government prevent the ownership of word processing software? It postdates 1793...
Marengo
Jul 2017
#57
So, you're ok with me having a 20 shot semi-auto .68 caliber rifle then?
AtheistCrusader
Aug 2017
#95
Perfect! And this is yet another point that restriction supporters will never grasp.
pablo_marmol
Aug 2017
#90