Gun Control & RKBA

MichMary

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76. There is disagreement about the meaning of

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 10:32 AM

Jul 2017

"well regulated."

We tend to think of regulated as meaning controlled by the federal government. I believe that it may have had a different meaning to the founders and people of their time.

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What did the Founders mean... [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 OP

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #1

Having defeated the army of the greatest colonial power on the planet Warpy Jun 2017 #2

Good list discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #3

So the French Navy was just there for show? Funny, I could've sworn it was them who ensured victory. malchickiwick Jun 2017 #4

Just because the founding fathers thought something Eko Jun 2017 #5

US history is rife with examples of our leaders' mistakes and even crimes discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #10

Nor Eko Jun 2017 #15

re: "...using a conclusion that is over 200 years old..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #16

What would the modern day reason be? Eko Jun 2017 #17

This reply doesn't say anything about your thoughts on the subject... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #18

Sorry, Eko Jun 2017 #20

I replied to your 37% issue discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #21

I think Eko Jun 2017 #22

I prefer the Swiss arrangement for militia service... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #35

just a few things, gejohnston Jun 2017 #23

Sure, Eko Jun 2017 #24

Did you also note that 'everyone' else who isn't in the NG, is also a member of the militia? jmg257 Jun 2017 #28

You mean Eko Jun 2017 #29

Yep back to the whole age & sex thing. jmg257 Jun 2017 #30

Don't you know... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #36

And this Eko Jun 2017 #25

yes I know, but gejohnston Jun 2017 #32

Do gun laws affect Eko Jun 2017 #26

what difference does the weapon make gejohnston Jun 2017 #31

only the bayonet knows what it is about jimmy the one Jul 2017 #38

I was refering to what was available on the commercial market vs gejohnston Jul 2017 #49

eli whitney's cotton gun jimmy the one Jul 2017 #60

not relevant, since modern firearms are gejohnston Jul 2017 #61

memory head jimmy the one Jul 2017 #64

Yes, and the sources you do cite gejohnston Jul 2017 #68

broken lamp, broken man jimmy the one Jul 2017 #70

your rant is nonsense gejohnston Jul 2017 #71

decked out jimmy the one Jul 2017 #72

Who you? gejohnston Jul 2017 #73

Conventional wisdom 'almost always wrong'? readers agree? jimmy the one Jul 2017 #74

you are the one making cheap shots logical fallacies gejohnston Jul 2017 #75

spinning like a top jimmy the one Jul 2017 #66

and? gejohnston Jul 2017 #69

Face the facts, more guns more gun crime/deaths jimmy the one Jul 2017 #62

cite your sources, gejohnston Jul 2017 #63

sources jimmy the one Jul 2017 #65

The fact check article gejohnston Jul 2017 #67

conventional wisdom is usually spot on jimmy the one Aug 2017 #92

Meh- a prolix, badly formatted argumentum ad populum *and* sheer Colonism: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2017 #93

advocatus diabolicon jimmy the one Aug 2017 #94

Conventional wisdom is like a factoid gejohnston Aug 2017 #98

argumentum reddum herringum jimmy the one Aug 2017 #99

I stand by the observation that "conventional wisdom" is usually wrong gejohnston Aug 2017 #100

I see ipsedixitism is now sharing space with 'proof by assertion' friendly_iconoclast Aug 2017 #101

As far as heroin vs guns Eko Jun 2017 #27

Drug overdose deaths in 2016 most likely exceeded 59,000 hack89 Jun 2017 #33

How is it defining drug poisonings gejohnston Jun 2017 #34

I don't know that many people doubt the intent of the 2nd Amendment. pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #6

The government "...derives its just powers from the consent of the governed..." n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #11

Fo sho. pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #19

Well, that's a wise question to ask. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #79

"I suggest that they read........" pablo_marmol Aug 2017 #81

There is disagreement about the meaning of MichMary Jul 2017 #76

"Well regulated", yagotme Aug 2017 #80

"There is disagreement......." pablo_marmol Aug 2017 #82

History is filled with examples of people oppressed by Leaders who abuse their power MedusaX Jun 2017 #7

Those who believe that the 2A isn't really a right... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #12

I can't say it better than most of the posters above have already said, but will add Alea Jun 2017 #8

I think Heraclitus had the numbers about right concerning battle discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #13

WHO expects american militias to provide their own arms? jimmy the one Jul 2017 #51

You must have had a hard time posting here when the italics button was broken Alea Jul 2017 #54

paranoia, big destroya jimmy the one Jul 2017 #59

Generally, Hamilton is good on this, yet his notion of a select militia didn't come about for jmg257 Jun 2017 #9

Of the mistakes made here... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #14

cannot have it both ways; the unorg'd militia is a JOKE jimmy the one Jul 2017 #37

Not really arguing anything, Jim - pointing out it is quite easy to know what the founders meant jmg257 Jul 2017 #40

You have the right to own any weapon manufactured before 1792 Doug.Goodall Jul 2017 #39

You have the right to express your opinion using any method available before 1792 friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #41

Regulation? You mean like FCC, Post Office Doug.Goodall Jul 2017 #43

If that's true, then why aren't single shot firearms recommended over "self loading" models... Marengo Jul 2017 #45

"...(S)omething we do not need in modern society" Would that be the royal 'we', or... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #46

You just reminded me of why I do not post in this group Doug.Goodall Jul 2017 #52

On the contrary, your opinion is among those most valuable here. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #53

None of the 3 things you listed have any bearing on the post you replied to. Alea Jul 2017 #56

A) GC&RKBA is not an 'amen chorus', and B) none of that bears upon what I posted friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #58

Your opinion is welcome, however it is nonsensical and there is no obligation for anyone to accept.. Marengo Jul 2017 #55

Thanks for the reply and welcome to the group discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #42

I thought cannon were crew served weapons Doug.Goodall Jul 2017 #44

"Revolvers are for people who display poor marksmanship or who intend to kill multiple times." friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #47

re: cannon discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #48

If you want to own artillery, all it takes is money. oneshooter Jul 2017 #50

Should the government prevent the ownership of word processing software? It postdates 1793... Marengo Jul 2017 #57

So, you're ok with me having a 20 shot semi-auto .68 caliber rifle then? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #95

Only if it is NOT a muzzle loader. oneshooter Aug 2017 #96

I was thinking Girandoni repeating rifle, but yes. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #97

The amendments in the Bill of Rights MichMary Jul 2017 #77

Welcome to the group discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #78

Amazing that restriction supporters can't grasp this. pablo_marmol Aug 2017 #83

Many folks are "in love" with the idea that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #84

Well oneshooter Aug 2017 #85

I suppose the best course... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #86

Love that sarcasm but more points discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #88

On 'good intentions'........ pablo_marmol Aug 2017 #87

"When you disarm the people... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #89

Perfect! And this is yet another point that restriction supporters will never grasp. pablo_marmol Aug 2017 #90

My favorite Ann Richards quote: discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #91

2nd amendment mythology re: ann richards texas gov jimmy the one Aug 2017 #102