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In reply to the discussion: What did the Founders mean... [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)71. your rant is nonsense
You are card stacking by using a few select cities.
Fact check is "reputable" according to whom? It is only as good as the writer's intelligence, curiosity, and honesty. Journalism does not attract people with a high amount of two of those three qualities. Fact Check used one study and ignored the tens of studies that use a better methodology that contradict it.
You say 'nor' did the 'harvard school of public health admit their bias'. This is supposed to be a rational argument from you? As if the nra is supposed to begin every critique with 'we are biased pro gun'? What a sophomoric remark from johnston.
You clearly don't know anything about the scientific method, how legitimate studies are done, or anything else. Hemenway is an activist, not a scientist. His department exists to create studies its funders want. IOW, it is not science, it is propaganda. Also, you are using the false comparisan. The NRA is honest about who they are. Hemenway and his band of shills pretend to be scientists to give their bullshit the veneer of authority like Bill Nye's lab coat.
You show a complete lack of understanding what the correlation/causation tenet means. It only means that causation cannot be definitely attributed to correlation without further analysis, but it does NOT RULE OUT THAT A CAUSATIVE EFFECT CAN INDEED RESULT FROM A CORRELATION.
This is where we get to the card stacking. You use a few select cities that you call "pro gun" but ignore other cities within the same "progun" state that have lower murder rates than you list of "anti gun" cities, etc. When looked at honestly, and is the consensus of criminologists, there is no correlation and no relation gun ownership or gun laws. The real issue is the GINI coefficient. That is a perfect correlation. There are almost an infinite reasons.
Also, criminals and gangs get guns from the black market or make their own. They don't go to Gander Mountain or a gun show to buy them. That disproves any cause. Also using your "reasoning" that legal gun ownership causes crime, Canada, Norway, Czech Republic, should have similar murder rates to ours while it should be almost non-existent in Mexico and Brazil.
Also, the "study" in the Trace, does not say there are a cause and effect, just tries to imply it to the noncritical thinker. It does not show any connection outside of its "adjusted" statistics, yet never explains how those are adjusted or why it is relevant. All of these studies use the same sentence to hand wave the fact that their "statistics" do not match official statistics.
Your "broken lamp" shows that at least your imagination compensates for your critical thinking skills or lack of. But then, you are still pissed about a liberal court not ruling your way in Pink Pistols v DC and Wrenn v DC. How does it feel that the dissenting judge is a right wing "originalist" who used the ink to claim that Marbury vs Madison was wrong and should be overturned.
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So the French Navy was just there for show? Funny, I could've sworn it was them who ensured victory.
malchickiwick
Jun 2017
#4
US history is rife with examples of our leaders' mistakes and even crimes
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jun 2017
#10
This reply doesn't say anything about your thoughts on the subject...
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jun 2017
#18
Did you also note that 'everyone' else who isn't in the NG, is also a member of the militia?
jmg257
Jun 2017
#28
Meh- a prolix, badly formatted argumentum ad populum *and* sheer Colonism:
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2017
#93
The government "...derives its just powers from the consent of the governed..." n/t
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jun 2017
#11
History is filled with examples of people oppressed by Leaders who abuse their power
MedusaX
Jun 2017
#7
I can't say it better than most of the posters above have already said, but will add
Alea
Jun 2017
#8
Generally, Hamilton is good on this, yet his notion of a select militia didn't come about for
jmg257
Jun 2017
#9
Not really arguing anything, Jim - pointing out it is quite easy to know what the founders meant
jmg257
Jul 2017
#40
You have the right to express your opinion using any method available before 1792
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2017
#41
If that's true, then why aren't single shot firearms recommended over "self loading" models...
Marengo
Jul 2017
#45
"...(S)omething we do not need in modern society" Would that be the royal 'we', or...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2017
#46
A) GC&RKBA is not an 'amen chorus', and B) none of that bears upon what I posted
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2017
#58
Your opinion is welcome, however it is nonsensical and there is no obligation for anyone to accept..
Marengo
Jul 2017
#55
"Revolvers are for people who display poor marksmanship or who intend to kill multiple times."
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2017
#47
Should the government prevent the ownership of word processing software? It postdates 1793...
Marengo
Jul 2017
#57
So, you're ok with me having a 20 shot semi-auto .68 caliber rifle then?
AtheistCrusader
Aug 2017
#95
Perfect! And this is yet another point that restriction supporters will never grasp.
pablo_marmol
Aug 2017
#90