Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: What did the Founders mean... [View all]jimmy the one
(2,717 posts)I wrote: There is evidence that higher state gun ownership rates will generally result in higher gun crime rates, other things being nearly equal such as population density, urbanity, demographics and region.
johnston replied: Not any study that followed the scientific method, peer reviewed and published in a criminology journal. The only studies claimed that were funded by activists with a predetermined conclusion and done by MDs with no relevant education in statistics or the scientific method.
You post baloney. You remind me of marco rubio in that debate where he kept using the same rehearsed pat reply 3 times about obama only wants to further his agenda or slt, and chris christie chrucified him for it. What you write above is obviously your pat response, your knee jerk reaction when somebody mentions studies which redound negatively about guns.
You need not do a study to note the higher incidence of gun crime where states have higher gun ownership rates. It's like saying that people who live near the water will have more fish in their diets. You need only look at the statistics, which don't lie (tho can be manipulated).
All of the top ten following states are pro gun with higher than avg gun ownership rates (NMex??): For 2013, the 10 states with the highest firearm age-adjusted death rates were: Alaska (19.8), Louisiana (19.3), Mississippi (17.8), Alabama (17.6), Arkansas (16.8), Wyoming (16.7), Montana (16.7), Oklahoma (16.5), New Mexico (15.5) and Tennessee (15.4).
Eight of the following top ten states are gun control states with lower gun ownership rates - pro gun, lean gun boldened.
The 10 states with the lowest firearm age-adjusted death rates were, starting with the lowest: Hawaii (2.6), Massachusetts (3.1), New York (4.2), Connecticut (4.4), Rhode Island (5.3), New Jersey (5.7), New Hampshire (6.4), Minnesota (7.6), California (7.7) and Iowa (8.0).
One gun control state: 2013 .. 70% of homicides for the year were by firearm. The 10 states with the highest homicide rates were: Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Maryland (gun control), Oklahoma, South Carolina, New Mexico, Missouri and Michigan
Eight of the following are pro gun, but as I mentioned in first sentence premise above, low population density & low populated states: The 10 states with the lowest homicide rates are: North Dakota, Vermont, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Utah, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts and Oregon.
This one is indeed from a study, but simply citing statistics is hard to peer review dispute: States with the highest gun-ownership levels (Wyoming, Montana, South Dakota, Arkansas, Arizona, West Virginia, North Dakota, Idaho, Mississippi, and Alabama), meanwhile, had 6.8 times the rate of firearm assaults, 2.8 times the rate of firearm homicides, and twice the rate of overall homicides than states with the lowest gun-ownership levels.
Get a grip J, face the facts, and think twice before using your pat answer.
Note, I momentarily & errantly forgot to post sources for the above, but herewith within a half hour I do, at the suggestion of gejohnston who requested them.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/gun-laws-deaths-and-crimes/
https://www.thetrace.org/2015/06/new-study-is-latest-to-find-that-higher-rates-of-gun-ownership-lead-to-higher-rates-of-violent-crime/