Gun Control & RKBA

tortoise1956

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49. Why are you using a bogus definition?

Fri Jun 23, 2017, 03:11 PM

Jun 2017

Until relatively recently, available commercial loads for the AR-15 did not produce enough muzzle energy to be used to hunt deer in many states. I can't speak for all states, but Nevada, for instance, calls for a minimum of 1000 ft/lbs of energy at 100 yards to be legally used on deer:
http://www.eregulations.com/nevada/hunting/weapons-regulations/

Even now, there are a limited number of commercial loads on the market that produce enough energy to be legal for use on deer in Nevada.

That is the reason I say that an AR-15 is NOT a high-powered weapon. You can argue that all you want, but the truth is the truth no matter how much you try to dissemble or change the definition to fit your argument...

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U.S. Army looking for a new rifle... [View all] tortoise1956 Jun 2017 OP

Maybe They Will Me. Jun 2017 #1

Correcting........ pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #5

Nope, No Way Me. Jun 2017 #6

"Nope, No way" pablo_marmol Aug 2017 #128

Agree, what is hated is all the senseless deaths. Canoe52 Jun 2017 #101

Apparently Senseless Deaths Are In High Demand Me. Aug 2017 #131

The RFI was published May 30, submission deadline is Jun 6. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2017 #2

Why not use AR 10 pattern or SCAR 17 Alea Jun 2017 #8

Idwhat manufacturer donated the most to trump? Nt lostnfound Jun 2017 #28

According to many "self described" experts here virginia mountainman Jun 2017 #3

SNORK! pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #4

I believe that I will stick to my battle rifles. oneshooter Jun 2017 #7

Hey Alea Jun 2017 #9

20 rds just makes you lazy in your shooting. oneshooter Jun 2017 #10

I was just playing around Alea Jun 2017 #11

I prefer the balance of the M1, and loading it is no problem. oneshooter Jun 2017 #12

Yes. M1 thumb Alea Jun 2017 #13

Let me tell you about "M1 Thumb" oneshooter Jun 2017 #15

I've neither had nor witnessed the infliction but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #53

M1 thumb oneshooter Jun 2017 #54

thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #55

I had M14 thumb in Army basic training JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2017 #18

I like yours better . nocalflea Jun 2017 #27

DAMN, oneshooter......... pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #14

If I was rubbing it in...... oneshooter Jun 2017 #16

Ha ha. pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #17

What does "makes cover into concealment" mean? lostnfound Jun 2017 #29

The M1 uses the cal30M2 Ball ammo (30-06) oneshooter Jun 2017 #35

Okay I get it now, thanks. Nt lostnfound Jun 2017 #43

So it's out with the ole poodle shooter eh? ileus Jun 2017 #19

They want a 7.62x51 krispos42 Jun 2017 #24

Have they ever carried those big bulky bastards. ileus Jun 2017 #25

Time was, when the .223 was considered underpowered for anything larger than woodchucks. Paladin Jun 2017 #20

I can relate, gejohnston Jun 2017 #21

"(M)y guns are gathering dust in a closet." Have the courage of your convictions... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #74

A most amusing OP about the danger of 5.56 caliber rifles by a self-proclaimed 'expert': friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #22

"Colt Combat Masterpiece"? tortoise1956 Jun 2017 #23

There was indeed a large amount of pious fraud in those two threads... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #36

This is such a dumb statement! ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #26

no, gejohnston Jun 2017 #30

So you speak for all who "know what they are talking about"? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #32

depends on how you define caliber, gejohnston Jun 2017 #33

It depends, I agree! That's why blanket statements are a no-go. ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #34

You might maybe want to lay off on the 'argument from authority' you've been using... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #37

I am interested to have my mistake pointed out to me, since I cannot find it. ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #40

sort of gejohnston Jun 2017 #38

I disagree ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #39

my link is an example of gejohnston Jun 2017 #41

Knives have other uses, guns do not. ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #44

not really relevant gejohnston Jun 2017 #45

Really? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #46

Their concern may very well be genuine, but is often expressed in a less-than-honest way... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #48

I'm still waiting for you to point out my error you mentioned before... ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #58

Your former status does not privilege your argument friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #61

So my error was making the argument in the first place? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #62

Your main error was and is believing that your former status is somehow relevant... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #65

Yes, really gejohnston Jun 2017 #50

Bloomberg? You mean this Bloomberg? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #51

re: " My point is that gun-controllers are right to label it "high-powered", for more reasons..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #52

Why can't they all be "high-powered"? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #94

The use of the term "high-powered"... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #103

Relatively High-Powered? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #107

Correction... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #110

The source... ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #114

Which demonstrates what? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #116

Uh oh, insults! ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #117

U.S. Army Ordance Dept classifies it as a intermediate power cartridge Alea Jun 2017 #118

I would guess that my M1 Garands are "ginormus" powered, oneshooter Jun 2017 #119

No insult intended discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #120

If you wouldn't mind my 2 cents, I may be able to help discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #42

CMP rifle competition is stated to be either "high power" or "rimfire". yagotme Jun 2017 #47

"Which would include me, as a former infantryman?" SQUEE Jun 2017 #56

Please ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #57

IMO, there are several problems with your argument friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #59

I found some faults with yours as well... ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #63

Seems I am under no responsibility to defend my position. SQUEE Jun 2017 #66

I'm glad you mentioned definitions of different powered rounds and rifles: ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #68

That's the NRA, *not* the Army-the organization where you got the technical expertise.. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #70

I'm afraid the other military on the thread don't really back your argument: ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #78

"(I)t is certainly capable of killing unarmored civilians" As are almost all types of ammunition friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #85

Why is your ire directed at that round in particular? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #87

Do you also wish to ban all magazine-fed, semiautomatic rifles? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #89

7.62 is also considered, technically speaking, an "intermediate" round. SQUEE Jun 2017 #91

You must be the only one confused by this ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #92

So another misappropriation by the NRA. SQUEE Jun 2017 #71

Anti-gun threads and subthreads by self-described ex-military have gone awry before friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #73

Well, that was an officer.. AF no less. SQUEE Jun 2017 #76

It has been stated that the round is not "high-powered", ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #79

I would counter thusly: 1) Squee may not have, but gejohnston certainly did... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #67

gejohnston's argument appeared to turn on ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #69

Your 'former employer' disagrees with you- and so do all his other 'ex-employees'... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #72

The other ex-employees in this thread ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #81

As I stated earlier.. SQUEE Jun 2017 #86

Is there any 7.62 rifle round that is not technically an "intermediate" round? nt ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #95

yes SQUEE Jun 2017 #99

Please pay attention to the subject discussed. oneshooter Jun 2017 #90

Uh, you need to pay more attention, bro! (edit) ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #93

considering how he also stated 7.62 is not "high-powered" SQUEE Jun 2017 #75

I think him and I agree then that it is not just "caliber" that makes ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #80

The accepted differentiation between "high-powered" and other rounds... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #83

Interesting ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #84

Your arguments have been all over the map. What, specifically do you object to? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #88

Here is the run-down: ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #97

The military vs civilian aspects discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #102

Have we reached the "official" definition of "high-powered" yet? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #106

Suggestion discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #108

I don't see any definition of "high-powered" on that Wiki page. nt ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #96

not all 7.62s are created equal gejohnston Jun 2017 #77

Words mean things SQUEE Jun 2017 #60

Words have power for a reason ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #64

Why are you using a bogus definition? tortoise1956 Jun 2017 #49

So your definition of "high-power" is based on ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #100

Here's the thing... tortoise1956 Jun 2017 #112

That's an easy one ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #115

You still didn't provide an example... tortoise1956 Jun 2017 #124

I'd maybe take up a hobby while you're waiting on an answer n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #127

Think they'd be interested in a model designed around the old Gyrojet-type model? Decoy of Fenris Jun 2017 #31

re: "high-powered assault-style" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #82

This is a little off-base. ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #98

I inferred that the OP... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #104

Finally, Nail on the head Alea Jun 2017 #105

The gun experts here have constantly been claiming certain cartridges are ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #109

Maybe this will clear it up discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #111

Thanks Hangingon Jun 2017 #113

You're welcome for sure discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #121

This thread really went off following a rabbit trail. Hangingon Jun 2017 #122

rabbit trail??? more like Alice's rabbit hole and through the mirror... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #123

7.62-51r is .30-30 Hangingon Jun 2017 #125

I was a fan of the soft points discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #126

I have a 788 in 30Win. oneshooter Aug 2017 #129

Fsounds sweet! Hangingon Aug 2017 #130