Gun Control & RKBA

tortoise1956

(671 posts) Mon Jun 19, 2017, 04:55 PM Jun 2017

U.S. Army looking for a new rifle... [View all]

I ran across this tidbit today on the RealClearDefense website:
http://warisboring.com/the-u-s-army-wants-a-more-powerful-rifle/

and here is the RFI they submitted to industry:
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=f19586d13f3072ad831ac8863fe6bcf8&_cview=0

Evidently the Army is finally admitting that a 5.56 caliber rifle is under-powered for today's combat environment. That should come as a shock to all the gun haters who continually decry the easy availability of - and I quote - "high-powered assault-style rifles" in the commercial market.

I guess next they'll come after "high-powered assault-style" Mosin-Nagant, Enfield, Mauser, and Springfield '03 rifles...

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U.S. Army looking for a new rifle... [View all] tortoise1956 Jun 2017 OP

Maybe They Will Me. Jun 2017 #1

Correcting........ pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #5

Nope, No Way Me. Jun 2017 #6

"Nope, No way" pablo_marmol Aug 2017 #128

Agree, what is hated is all the senseless deaths. Canoe52 Jun 2017 #101

Apparently Senseless Deaths Are In High Demand Me. Aug 2017 #131

The RFI was published May 30, submission deadline is Jun 6. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2017 #2

Why not use AR 10 pattern or SCAR 17 Alea Jun 2017 #8

Idwhat manufacturer donated the most to trump? Nt lostnfound Jun 2017 #28

According to many "self described" experts here virginia mountainman Jun 2017 #3

SNORK! pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #4

I believe that I will stick to my battle rifles. oneshooter Jun 2017 #7

Hey Alea Jun 2017 #9

20 rds just makes you lazy in your shooting. oneshooter Jun 2017 #10

I was just playing around Alea Jun 2017 #11

I prefer the balance of the M1, and loading it is no problem. oneshooter Jun 2017 #12

Yes. M1 thumb Alea Jun 2017 #13

Let me tell you about "M1 Thumb" oneshooter Jun 2017 #15

I've neither had nor witnessed the infliction but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #53

M1 thumb oneshooter Jun 2017 #54

thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #55

I had M14 thumb in Army basic training JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2017 #18

I like yours better . nocalflea Jun 2017 #27

DAMN, oneshooter......... pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #14

If I was rubbing it in...... oneshooter Jun 2017 #16

Ha ha. pablo_marmol Jun 2017 #17

What does "makes cover into concealment" mean? lostnfound Jun 2017 #29

The M1 uses the cal30M2 Ball ammo (30-06) oneshooter Jun 2017 #35

Okay I get it now, thanks. Nt lostnfound Jun 2017 #43

So it's out with the ole poodle shooter eh? ileus Jun 2017 #19

They want a 7.62x51 krispos42 Jun 2017 #24

Have they ever carried those big bulky bastards. ileus Jun 2017 #25

Time was, when the .223 was considered underpowered for anything larger than woodchucks. Paladin Jun 2017 #20

I can relate, gejohnston Jun 2017 #21

"(M)y guns are gathering dust in a closet." Have the courage of your convictions... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #74

A most amusing OP about the danger of 5.56 caliber rifles by a self-proclaimed 'expert': friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #22

"Colt Combat Masterpiece"? tortoise1956 Jun 2017 #23

There was indeed a large amount of pious fraud in those two threads... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #36

This is such a dumb statement! ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #26

no, gejohnston Jun 2017 #30

So you speak for all who "know what they are talking about"? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #32

depends on how you define caliber, gejohnston Jun 2017 #33

It depends, I agree! That's why blanket statements are a no-go. ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #34

You might maybe want to lay off on the 'argument from authority' you've been using... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #37

I am interested to have my mistake pointed out to me, since I cannot find it. ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #40

sort of gejohnston Jun 2017 #38

I disagree ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #39

my link is an example of gejohnston Jun 2017 #41

Knives have other uses, guns do not. ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #44

not really relevant gejohnston Jun 2017 #45

Really? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #46

Their concern may very well be genuine, but is often expressed in a less-than-honest way... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #48

I'm still waiting for you to point out my error you mentioned before... ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #58

Your former status does not privilege your argument friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #61

So my error was making the argument in the first place? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #62

Your main error was and is believing that your former status is somehow relevant... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #65

Yes, really gejohnston Jun 2017 #50

Bloomberg? You mean this Bloomberg? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #51

re: " My point is that gun-controllers are right to label it "high-powered", for more reasons..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #52

Why can't they all be "high-powered"? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #94

The use of the term "high-powered"... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #103

Relatively High-Powered? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #107

Correction... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #110

The source... ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #114

Which demonstrates what? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #116

Uh oh, insults! ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #117

U.S. Army Ordance Dept classifies it as a intermediate power cartridge Alea Jun 2017 #118

I would guess that my M1 Garands are "ginormus" powered, oneshooter Jun 2017 #119

No insult intended discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #120

If you wouldn't mind my 2 cents, I may be able to help discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #42

CMP rifle competition is stated to be either "high power" or "rimfire". yagotme Jun 2017 #47

"Which would include me, as a former infantryman?" SQUEE Jun 2017 #56

Please ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #57

IMO, there are several problems with your argument friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #59

I found some faults with yours as well... ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #63

Seems I am under no responsibility to defend my position. SQUEE Jun 2017 #66

I'm glad you mentioned definitions of different powered rounds and rifles: ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #68

That's the NRA, *not* the Army-the organization where you got the technical expertise.. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #70

I'm afraid the other military on the thread don't really back your argument: ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #78

"(I)t is certainly capable of killing unarmored civilians" As are almost all types of ammunition friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #85

Why is your ire directed at that round in particular? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #87

Do you also wish to ban all magazine-fed, semiautomatic rifles? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #89

7.62 is also considered, technically speaking, an "intermediate" round. SQUEE Jun 2017 #91

You must be the only one confused by this ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #92

So another misappropriation by the NRA. SQUEE Jun 2017 #71

Anti-gun threads and subthreads by self-described ex-military have gone awry before friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #73

Well, that was an officer.. AF no less. SQUEE Jun 2017 #76

It has been stated that the round is not "high-powered", ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #79

I would counter thusly: 1) Squee may not have, but gejohnston certainly did... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #67

gejohnston's argument appeared to turn on ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #69

Your 'former employer' disagrees with you- and so do all his other 'ex-employees'... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #72

The other ex-employees in this thread ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #81

As I stated earlier.. SQUEE Jun 2017 #86

Is there any 7.62 rifle round that is not technically an "intermediate" round? nt ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #95

yes SQUEE Jun 2017 #99

Please pay attention to the subject discussed. oneshooter Jun 2017 #90

Uh, you need to pay more attention, bro! (edit) ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #93

considering how he also stated 7.62 is not "high-powered" SQUEE Jun 2017 #75

I think him and I agree then that it is not just "caliber" that makes ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #80

The accepted differentiation between "high-powered" and other rounds... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #83

Interesting ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #84

Your arguments have been all over the map. What, specifically do you object to? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #88

Here is the run-down: ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #97

The military vs civilian aspects discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #102

Have we reached the "official" definition of "high-powered" yet? ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #106

Suggestion discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #108

I don't see any definition of "high-powered" on that Wiki page. nt ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #96

not all 7.62s are created equal gejohnston Jun 2017 #77

Words mean things SQUEE Jun 2017 #60

Words have power for a reason ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #64

Why are you using a bogus definition? tortoise1956 Jun 2017 #49

So your definition of "high-power" is based on ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #100

Here's the thing... tortoise1956 Jun 2017 #112

That's an easy one ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #115

You still didn't provide an example... tortoise1956 Jun 2017 #124

I'd maybe take up a hobby while you're waiting on an answer n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #127

Think they'd be interested in a model designed around the old Gyrojet-type model? Decoy of Fenris Jun 2017 #31

re: "high-powered assault-style" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #82

This is a little off-base. ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #98

I inferred that the OP... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #104

Finally, Nail on the head Alea Jun 2017 #105

The gun experts here have constantly been claiming certain cartridges are ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #109

Maybe this will clear it up discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #111

Thanks Hangingon Jun 2017 #113

You're welcome for sure discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #121

This thread really went off following a rabbit trail. Hangingon Jun 2017 #122

rabbit trail??? more like Alice's rabbit hole and through the mirror... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #123

7.62-51r is .30-30 Hangingon Jun 2017 #125

I was a fan of the soft points discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2017 #126

I have a 788 in 30Win. oneshooter Aug 2017 #129

Fsounds sweet! Hangingon Aug 2017 #130