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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
23. Remember what I said about about advocacy groups
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 08:44 PM
Apr 2017

No, they are not well respected, well researched, or any such thing. They are just well funded by a foundation and a couple of billionaires.
They are dishonest, just like the anti-pot crusaders were in the 1930s.
http://debunkthebradycampaign.blogspot.com/

I don't care if you don't have an issue with "slightly stricter regulations" or not. Of course, you wouldn't. You wouldn't be negatively affected by it. That should not be what public policy should be based on. It should be based on if it works or not. True, most of Europe restricts guns more than we do. They also restrict abortion a lot more than we do. I know people who wouldn't have an issue with slightly stricter abortion restrictions like, say Germany. The argument would be that the right to choose is different than other rights because it always ends in a human death. See how that works? An attack one right is an attack on all rights.

Not only Switzerland but also Iceland, Norway, Canda, Finland, Czech Republic are a few. France is kind of in the middle with New Zealand. Switzerland is more like Michigan as far as their purchase permit system goes. Only Canada has a long process. Not even the UK is that long. The difference is that they don't have the level of wealth inequality (remember the GINI Coefficient?). I was a "Bernie Bro" for a reason.

If you want to see a long and cumbersome process of getting a legal gun, see New Jersey, DC, USVI, and Mexico.

Since we know, based on the Wright-Rossi studies, criminals and gangs don't go to gun stores. Since most of our murders are drug dealers killing each other, how would they be affected by any regulation?
If you seriously want to save lives, these are the policies that will do more:
improved mental health, because 2/3 of all gun deaths are suicides. That is only half of all suicides. Also, China has more Sandy Hook level mass school murders than we do. It just happens to be crazed adults taking out kids with an edged weapon. Their mental health system is worse than ours.
Fix the economy and close the wealth gap
End the drug war. Not only the gang wars, Heroin ODs kill more people in this country each year than guns ever did.

Simple answers to complex problems are not solutions.

One more thing, what do you know about current gun laws?

Is the assumption mental illness can not be cured? Throck Mar 2017 #1
Are mentally ill people with motor vechicles safer? Throck Mar 2017 #2
Of course not. yagotme Mar 2017 #4
I support RKBA but background checks and restrictions for the mentally ill just make sense. Blue_Warrior Mar 2017 #3
See my #4 post. nt yagotme Mar 2017 #5
'mentally ill' is a moveable feast, and people within that category are more likely to be victims of AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #12
Why don't the gun nuts understand this? Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #13
Who are these "gun nuts" you speak of? And what is your definition of "mentally ill"? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2017 #14
... Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #15
Let's take a look at this. Straw Man Apr 2017 #16
Sure. Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #18
It's simple. Straw Man Apr 2017 #19
. Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #20
That's how it currently works with the Gun Control Act gejohnston Apr 2017 #21
/ Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #22
Remember what I said about about advocacy groups gejohnston Apr 2017 #23
, Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #25
Just out of curiosity sarisataka Apr 2017 #29
just a few things gejohnston Apr 2017 #33
Around and around. Straw Man Apr 2017 #24
/ Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #28
I guess you don't like titles. Straw Man Apr 2017 #30
Mentally incompetent does not equal mentally ill. pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #17
Very misleading title and article. ManiacJoe Mar 2017 #6
As long as the person making the determination... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2017 #7
Exactly. ManiacJoe Mar 2017 #9
Like the Trump White House, gun control advocacy relies upon 'faith-promoting rumor' friendly_iconoclast Mar 2017 #8
Headline is a lie. Straw Man Mar 2017 #10
Exactly kudzu22 Mar 2017 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Snackshack Apr 2017 #26
So the next bill is they will sell guns to suicidal people kimbutgar Apr 2017 #27
Exactly how wild was the "wild west"? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #32
Anyone take the time to read the actual Bill? Alea Apr 2017 #31
Welcome to DU. yagotme Apr 2017 #34
Thanks for the welcome yagotme :) Alea Apr 2017 #35
You're welcome for the welcome. yagotme Apr 2017 #36
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