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jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
11. ar & ak conversions which I do not condone or endorse in any way
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 10:51 AM
Mar 2017

tupper happy: That is not what I claimed. You quoted me above yet obviously did not read it.

Blame yourself in good part for being unclear & ambiguous, this is what you wrote: "The AR-15 is functionally no different from any other semi-automatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine. There are literally 10s of millions of this kind of rifle, owned by, again, literally 10s of millions of law-abiding citizens,.."

To phrase it properly so as to avoid confusion, you should have written 'there are literally 10s of millions of semi auto rifles', since 'this kind of rifle' suggests you are speaking of the AR15. It's your post, you clarified it as your prerogative, but don't blame me for your sloppy wording.

tupper: Others have questioned your blithe assertion on the numbers of AR-15s that have been converted to full auto.

I made no assertion, blithe or not, as to how many ar15s have been converted to full auto. I simply wrote that the AR15 & the AK47 could be converted to full auto, using either common tools or a conversion kit. That is a trait which conventional rifles do not possess, to best of my knowledge.

jimmy the one, sept 11, 2015: I have not contended ar15s or aks were converted back en masse, I only said that they could be, and I have also posted that 98%+ of assault rifle owners would not want to do that. Indeed it would utterly foolish for a 'normal' criminal to convert to full auto, would be ridiculous. Only a large scale mass shooter would want to..... http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=175857

What is an ARFA Kit The ARFA Kit contains all of the materials necessary to make the parts that will convert a Bushmaster AR-15 (or other AR-15 with similar specs) from semi-auto to full-auto.
The ARFA Kit includes the following:
•Completed Bolt Carrier Group Counter Weight and detailed instructions for installing the completed part.
•Mostly completed material necessary to make a Trigger Control Group Travel Reducer and ... The instructions include a diagram and layout that can be used to determine when the part has been formed correctly. .. (Because the part is not completed until you make the final bend in the metal, using a pair of pliers, the kit, as-sold, is legal to own.) To make the completed part, you will need a pair of pliers. As an option for those who are concerned that the ARFA Kit may not be legal in their jurisdiction, but would still like to know how it works, we offer a RAW Materials Kit.

http://www.arfakit.com/ --- it's become a dead link, once active: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=153566

Just googled this, dunno how valid: Convert a stock AR-15 to full auto and back again in seconds. The kit is legal to own and very simple to use. https://wn.com/legal_arfa_full_auto_conversion_kit

I checked these links, appear still up: link: From what I understand you could convert practically any AK into it's full auto configuration with about $20 in parts and an hour or two. Highly illegal of course and I would absolutely never condone it
.... Full automatic and select fire on the AR15/M16. The M16 series ... There are several ways to legally and illegally convert a semi-auto AR15 to full auto. The legal ... https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=convert+ar15+to+full+automatic
... https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=convert+ak+47+to+full+auto
... http://www.savvysurvivor.com/full_auto_and_autoburst_modifica.htm
.. https://www.hackcanada.com/ice3/misc/ak47mod.txt


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=154167

Where do these victims find such incompetent lawyers?!?!?! ManiacJoe Mar 2017 #1
I think that your new friends Dunning and Kruger might be their lawyers n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2017 #2
ar15 white man's toy jimmy the one Mar 2017 #3
How often are AR15s converted to full auto? How many illegally converted AR15s have been seized... Marengo Mar 2017 #4
Probably a few but you'd have ask in France or Australia discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2017 #5
"can" and "can easily" are two very different things. ManiacJoe Mar 2017 #6
Anyone who can convert an AR to full auto... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2017 #7
Exactly. But those who get their gun knowledge from Hollywood ManiacJoe Mar 2017 #8
if anyone can do it wincest Mar 2017 #15
I've no doubt whatsoever that you actually believe what you wrote there. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2017 #9
iconic amnesia jimmy the one Mar 2017 #12
You're are correct, I *have* seen this bullshit before. Thanks for the link to previous broadcasting friendly_iconoclast Mar 2017 #18
That is not what I claimed. TupperHappy Mar 2017 #10
ar & ak conversions which I do not condone or endorse in any way jimmy the one Mar 2017 #11
It is illegal to convert any semi auto firearm into full auto. The law is there. yagotme Mar 2017 #13
Is it "illegaler"? Beats me. Paladin Mar 2017 #14
Sorry. yagotme Mar 2017 #17
I'm not sure about "illegaler" but it might get you double secret probation. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #53
Used to be Correctional Officer. yagotme Apr 2017 #54
Correction. Straw Man Mar 2017 #29
no cigar jimmy the one Apr 2017 #38
I don't smoke cigars. Straw Man Apr 2017 #39
you make my case re AR15 jimmy the one Apr 2017 #42
Wrong again, on several counts. Straw Man Apr 2017 #46
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #47
Amazed this is still being debated, but let me interject something. TupperHappy Apr 2017 #48
Bravo for the hide inspiring response discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #49
And I thought my response was pretty mild ... Straw Man Apr 2017 #50
neither did I discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #51
"ar15 white man's toy" wincest Mar 2017 #16
proves nothing jimmy the one Mar 2017 #19
"proves nothing" yagotme Mar 2017 #21
gun ownership demographics melm00se Apr 2017 #40
Insufficient data. yagotme Apr 2017 #41
Goodness Blue_Warrior Mar 2017 #20
to agree, or disagree, with oxymoronic hyperbole jimmy the one Mar 2017 #25
If there weren't a correction, it wouldn't be you discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2017 #26
As I suspected you had nothing to back up your assertion. Blue_Warrior Mar 2017 #32
A 500 dollar rifle makes you rich....LOL....now that's RICH. ileus Mar 2017 #23
You have literally no idea what you're talking about. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #35
do not employ these illegal conversion kits jimmy the one Apr 2017 #43
So, you know such a hypothetical kit would be instant felony to possess and they aren't readily avai AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #44
file your taxes soon, but don't file your AR jimmy the one Apr 2017 #45
You're right of course about the lawyers. pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #22
The whole "negligent entrustment" idea... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2017 #24
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welcome to DU gopiscrap Mar 2017 #28
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You're welcome gopiscrap Mar 2017 #31
I didn't see the post you responded to, its been removed. TupperHappy Mar 2017 #33
of course it was marketed to civilians. It's a civilian rifle. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #34
is your avatar wincest Mar 2017 #36
Good catch, yes it is. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #37
It will cost the families dearly but the precedence benefit will prove useful... Baconator Apr 2017 #52
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