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Straw Man

(6,777 posts)
12. Pushback.
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:01 PM
Oct 2016

"Buyback" programs (a misnomer because you can only "buy back" something that was yours in the first place) are unpopular among gun activists for several reasons.

One is that they encourage people to turn in for destruction guns that may be unique and collectible. Paying $50 for an antique Colt Single Action Army and then destroying it is not only a disservice to the person bringing in the gun -- someone ostensibly not exactly wealthy -- but it also takes a valuable and historical piece out of circulation permanently.

Secondly, despite being touted as a measure to reduce gun violence, they actually provide a convenient way for criminals to dispose of crime guns. The "no questions asked" policy means that the guns being turned in cannot be tied to any individual, and a potentially valuable piece of evidence disappears forever.

As for "smart guns," the only pushback there came because the state in question -- New Jersey -- had recently passed legislation mandating that once any "smart gun" was available for purchase, only "smart guns" would be allowed to be sold in the state. That's a pretty dire situation for anyone shopping for a firearm as it would reduce the consumer's options to one unproven and expensive gun which may or may not be suitable for that consumer.

Why do programs. deathrind Oct 2016 #1
Probably because it's using tax dollars. krispos42 Oct 2016 #2
On the contrary... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #3
Pushback. Straw Man Oct 2016 #12
I don't have no problems with gun buy backs. If the organization wants to fork over a $200 Waldorf Oct 2016 #13
I heard something to the effect that the law in question had been rescinded discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #17
No, the law hasn't been rescinded. The author of the bill, seeing that her bill might be Waldorf Oct 2016 #22
When it uses tax dollars, I do not agree with it Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #26
Not at all, as long as "buy backs" are not tax-payer funded... Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #34
I fully support gun buybacks Travis_0004 Oct 2016 #4
waste not, want not n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #6
you like that term "cheap hookers"? CreekDog Oct 2016 #5
not really, you? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #7
I didn't use it, you did CreekDog Oct 2016 #8
how 'bout that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #9
You used the term "cheap hookers" and told me you don't like it CreekDog Oct 2016 #10
i'm tellin'... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #11
pointing out what you said is not picking on you CreekDog Oct 2016 #14
I'm pretty much fine with my words... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #15
you said "...like offering cheap hookers in the hope of reducing rape?" CreekDog Oct 2016 #18
why shouldn't I bullshit you? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #20
Maybe you should have said gejohnston Oct 2016 #21
Thanks for the phrasing suggestion discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #25
For some reason I'm reminded of gejohnston Oct 2016 #27
Let's recap discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #23
would you prefer that he or she said gejohnston Oct 2016 #19
Do you feel faint? Do you require smelling salts? Marengo Oct 2016 #28
Not at all CreekDog Oct 2016 #29
Is the term offensive? Marengo Oct 2016 #31
Tell us what it means CreekDog Oct 2016 #33
Nope. Cheap, rust-while-you-watch hooks are recommended for catch & release. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #35
I would say it's more like giving basketballs to retired nuns in an effort to combat petronius Oct 2016 #16
Perhaps a better metaphor than what I tried to quote but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #24
your analogy, including your lame attempt to euphemize it says more about you than the topic CreekDog Oct 2016 #30
Thanks n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #32
If Ezekiel Gilbert had sold back his guns, he wouldn't have been aquitted of exercising his... stone space Oct 2016 #36
Just a few points here discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #37
Thanks. try now. stone space Oct 2016 #38
Thanks, better now discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #39
A buy back of his guns wouild have prevented him from murdering the escort. stone space Oct 2016 #40
regarding... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #41
Your concession here is noted n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #42
??? stone space Oct 2016 #43
An inability to actually refute an opponent's argument is a concession that the argument is true. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #44
Oh, it was just a lie. OK. You made it sound like it was something that I said. Carry on. stone space Oct 2016 #45
Here, let me help discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #46
Making up a fake consession is just plain lying. stone space Oct 2016 #47
After our exchange this past Wednesday... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #48
You can claim the last word, or you can claim great endurance and stamina, ... stone space Oct 2016 #53
He couldn't or wouldn't have killed her with any other weapon? Marengo Oct 2016 #49
Well maybe but, if it's not a gun, it wouldn't count discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #50
I'll ask you again, he couldn't or wouldn't have killed her with any other weapon? Marengo Oct 2016 #52
I'll have to correct my mental dictionary to eliminate "Cheap Gigolo" as well. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #51
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