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In reply to the discussion: Swiss Balk At EU Concept Of Stripping ‘Assault Rifles’ From The People [View all]jimmy the one
(2,717 posts)8. going off half cocked, are you?
Switzerland has one of the highest rates of private gun ownership in Europe, with nearly 48 percent of households owning a gun. In France, there are about 30 weapons per 100 people, while the figure in the Great Britain is far lower, at 6.7 guns per 100 civilians, according to the Australian-based think tank GunPolicy.org.
The above is false, regarding switzerland, unless it somehow surged. Most recent figures from the link cited by the article above (gunpolicy.org):
In Switzerland, the percentage of households with one or more guns is reported to be
2004/05: 28.6% .. 1999/2003: 35.7% .. 1995/98: 35.3% .. 1989: 32.8%
However, reuters backed into near correctness altho misleading, despite itself, since the comparison with France & UK were for firearms per capita (but not the personal gun ownership rate - not provided - which is a lot less than 46%):
The estimated rate of private gun ownership (both licit and illicit) in Switzerland is 45.71 firearms per 100 people
Eight of nine departing swiss soldiers choose to leave their assault rifle behind: In 2015, 11 percent of the 20,600 soldiers who left the Swiss Army opted to keep their assault rifles which upon departure are modified to fire single shots. The number of soldiers choosing to keep their weapons has been declining for several years.
Read more about gun utopia switzerland, quite a difference from what the 2nd amendment mythology portrays:
The regulation of guns in Switzerland is categorised as restrictive
In Switzerland, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law
Applicants for a gun owners licence in Switzerland are required to establish a genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example hunting, target shooting, self-defence, and collection
An applicant for a firearm licence in Switzerland must pass a background check which considers mental health, criminal and domestic violence records
Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in Switzerland stipulates93 that a gun licence should be denied or revoked
Permits for carrying in public are issued only restrictively.
n Switzerland, carrying a concealed firearm in a public place is allowed only with proof of genuine need and tangible danger, following mental health, criminal record and good character background checks, and after passing a police examination in firearm law and handgun safety
n Switzerland, civilians are not allowed to possess automatic firearms, some automatic firearms converted into semi-automatic firearms, incendiary or armour-piercing ammunition, and 'expansive projectiles for handguns
In Switzerland, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted under licence
n Switzerland, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence
n Switzerland, civilian possession of rifles and shotguns is regulated by law
In Switzerland, it is state policy119 to destroy surplus, collected and seized firearms rather than return them to the secondary arms market
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/switzerland
Switzerland has approx 3 million guns per 7 million swiss, 3 guns per 7 peeps.
America has approx 320 million guns per 320 million americans, 1 per 1.
In other words, America has approx 320 million more guns than the Swiss - and the argument is that the swiss are saturated with guns?
The above is false, regarding switzerland, unless it somehow surged. Most recent figures from the link cited by the article above (gunpolicy.org):
In Switzerland, the percentage of households with one or more guns is reported to be
2004/05: 28.6% .. 1999/2003: 35.7% .. 1995/98: 35.3% .. 1989: 32.8%
However, reuters backed into near correctness altho misleading, despite itself, since the comparison with France & UK were for firearms per capita (but not the personal gun ownership rate - not provided - which is a lot less than 46%):
The estimated rate of private gun ownership (both licit and illicit) in Switzerland is 45.71 firearms per 100 people
Eight of nine departing swiss soldiers choose to leave their assault rifle behind: In 2015, 11 percent of the 20,600 soldiers who left the Swiss Army opted to keep their assault rifles which upon departure are modified to fire single shots. The number of soldiers choosing to keep their weapons has been declining for several years.
Read more about gun utopia switzerland, quite a difference from what the 2nd amendment mythology portrays:
The regulation of guns in Switzerland is categorised as restrictive
In Switzerland, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law
Applicants for a gun owners licence in Switzerland are required to establish a genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example hunting, target shooting, self-defence, and collection
An applicant for a firearm licence in Switzerland must pass a background check which considers mental health, criminal and domestic violence records
Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in Switzerland stipulates93 that a gun licence should be denied or revoked
Permits for carrying in public are issued only restrictively.
n Switzerland, carrying a concealed firearm in a public place is allowed only with proof of genuine need and tangible danger, following mental health, criminal record and good character background checks, and after passing a police examination in firearm law and handgun safety
n Switzerland, civilians are not allowed to possess automatic firearms, some automatic firearms converted into semi-automatic firearms, incendiary or armour-piercing ammunition, and 'expansive projectiles for handguns
In Switzerland, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted under licence
n Switzerland, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted under licence
n Switzerland, civilian possession of rifles and shotguns is regulated by law
In Switzerland, it is state policy119 to destroy surplus, collected and seized firearms rather than return them to the secondary arms market
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/switzerland
Switzerland has approx 3 million guns per 7 million swiss, 3 guns per 7 peeps.
America has approx 320 million guns per 320 million americans, 1 per 1.
In other words, America has approx 320 million more guns than the Swiss - and the argument is that the swiss are saturated with guns?
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Swiss Balk At EU Concept Of Stripping ‘Assault Rifles’ From The People [View all]
Purveyor
Sep 2016
OP
Then accessibility is not the culprit despite what we're constantly told.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2016
#5
"and the argument is that the swiss are saturated with guns?" No one has made that argument
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#16
You countered my allegation by posting a "wall-o-text" that has naught to do with the OP...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#60
600,000 full-auto rifles in Switzerland is far more than the 2-300k in U.S. civilian hands.
Eleanors38
Sep 2016
#12
That "effect" is not recognized as "auto" by the ATF, the agency charged with gun regs.
Eleanors38
Sep 2016
#44
I understand that. Contrary to a number of gunner's opinions of me I am not stupid.
flamin lib
Sep 2016
#66
Can you provide a link to the more sophisticated stock assemblies? I have no interest...
Marengo
Sep 2016
#70
You were able to provide an example in post #67 without much difficulty I presume. I would think...
Marengo
Sep 2016
#75
I'm not asking for advice, rather for you to provide an example to back you claim that...
Marengo
Sep 2016
#78
It would if it didn't lead to another red herring which is a specialty here.mnt
flamin lib
Sep 2016
#83
I am only asking for you to explain your understanding of a term you used in this thread.
Marengo
Sep 2016
#86
Regarding stocks, grips and guards, great attempt has been made by controller/banners
Eleanors38
Sep 2016
#73
If you don't know what that means you are unqualified to engage in this discussion. nt
flamin lib
Sep 2016
#65
I'm asking for your definition. Can you provide one? Why did you avoid the question?
Marengo
Sep 2016
#69
What causes you to believe I don't have that "level of sophistication". If your understanding...
Marengo
Sep 2016
#74
It seems I can safely assume you don't understand the concept and simply don't know what...
Marengo
Sep 2016
#80
You can assume anything you want. I really don't care to indulge you in meaningless banter. nt
flamin lib
Sep 2016
#82
I should think you would want to prevent others from assuming the same as well.
Marengo
Sep 2016
#84
Can you expound on your comment on design and adoption dates? What can't I tell...
Marengo
Sep 2016
#85
I found the reference. Are these pre-WWi rifle you own Mosin Nagants? Am I correct in recalling...
Marengo
Sep 2016
#90
Are they, or are they not, Mosin Nagants? Do you want me to assume that they are?
Marengo
Sep 2016
#95
Yep, they are Mosins, I found your post. The design was adopted in 1891, not 1898 as you...
Marengo
Sep 2016
#96
The Russian military put a call for a new infantry rifle sometime in the early/mid 1880s.
flamin lib
Sep 2016
#98
First production run of Mosin Nagant Model 1891 Three Line rifle was Chaterllerault, France 1892.
Marengo
Sep 2016
#99
You also might want edit where you claim the first production run was of Dragoons in the USA...
Marengo
Sep 2016
#101
Looks like your the one having the trouble understanding the difference. Designed in 1898...
Marengo
Sep 2016
#97
Some things never seem to change. The standard of accuracy for antigun posts at DU is one of them
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#104
Nice catch. Not only have we been served bullshit, it's *recycled* bullshit:
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#109
I'm sorry, you're wrong. And I don't feel inclined go indulge in the mental masturbation
flamin lib
Sep 2016
#32
It sounds like a bear trap snapping shut to include the anguished howls.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2016
#38
No, I won't play your silly assed game. You don't get to assert that something that
flamin lib
Sep 2016
#39
"I want to save lives." Appeal to emotion aside, we are free to question the efficacy of your ideas
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#40