Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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14. Not to be contrary but...

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Sun Aug 28, 2016, 07:44 AM

Aug 2016

...'gun-control', in the sense of regulation and laws, has always been fabrication. The idea of control in a society of free people is an oxymoron. I've said many times that control is a myth. Apart what science makes possible, the only real people control is self-control.

The best and most beneficial government based crime prevention efforts are those which empower the individual and remove barriers to freedom and equality.

Violence is not caused by a tool. It's a stupid idea to blame a baseball bat for bludgeoning or to think that a ban will help. Bludgeoning is illegal. Assault is illegal. Murder is illegal. Is there anyone out there that doesn't laugh at that concept of "double-secret probation" in the movie Animal House?

Once you've become enamored with the idea that "the good people" (meaning those that agree with you) can somehow stop "the bad people" from doing bad things and "make them good", you're into a rabbit hole while huffing glue with Harry Potter's wand in your pocket.

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Gun Control has devolved to absolute fabrication [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 OP

I have seen that and laugh Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #1

A jury removed a post of mine because I stated that Bill Clinton signed major gun legislation krispos42 Aug 2016 #2

Recounting the fact Bill Clinton signed a law they want reenacted is a RW smear? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #3

I agree Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #5

I like the appeal process Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #4

That is ridiculous. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #36

It was, thankfully. krispos42 Sep 2016 #44

Given enough manure a bad idea will grow. JonathanRackham Aug 2016 #6

They really are pathetic, but the lies are all they have Lurks Often Aug 2016 #7

I don't want to get into the habit of doing what they do: Congratulating ourselves Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #8

Agreed n/t Lurks Often Aug 2016 #11

Well, lies and misplaced hope DonP Aug 2016 #10

I find it especially ironic sarisataka Aug 2016 #9

I know, right, lol Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #18

Change a few words... beevul Aug 2016 #12

That description also holds for another group at DU. eom guillaumeb Sep 2016 #37

Which group would that be seeing as this group welcomes debate? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #39

Agreed. But I was talking about another group. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #41

Just look at who is behind the controllers....and what motivates them. ileus Aug 2016 #13

Not to be contrary but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #14

I think it went that way a long time ago... NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #15

You can tell its successful by ALL the activism taking root over there. jmg257 Aug 2016 #16

69 or 70. beevul Aug 2016 #17

Those yutz's are simply following the lead of early Controllers........ pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #19

Agreed. Straw Man Aug 2016 #20

That entire Maddow rant was so chock-full of BS that it would take many pages pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #21

wow beergood Sep 2016 #24

Yeah.......she truly is pathetic on the "gun control"/gun violence subject. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #26

So you think NJ's ban on cop-killer hollowpoints is BS? No. scscholar Sep 2016 #27

The descriptor 'cop-killer hollowpoints' is PURE BS. **YES** pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #28

Yes, its BS. "cop-killer hollowpoints" is exactly the kind of absolute fabrication the OP refers to. beevul Sep 2016 #29

What's a cop killer hollowpoint? Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #30

do you even know what a hollowpoint is? beergood Sep 2016 #32

He/she is likely unaware that cops went to hollowpoints......... pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #33

But, but, they saw it on a bumper sticker! DonP Sep 2016 #45

"Cop-killer bullets" and "hollowpoints" are opposite concepts. benEzra Sep 2016 #53

If all of that is true, then... scscholar Sep 2016 #56

Because NJ passed a pointless law based on a non-existent panic. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #57

Or pump your own gas DonP Sep 2016 #59

Actually, hollowpoints are legal in NJ. THe rest of your post stands, though. benEzra Sep 2016 #68

Because of people who were fed misinformation, which led them to support the proposed laws. beevul Sep 2016 #58

Same reason that "assault weapons" are demonized. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #60

Hollowpoints aren't banned in NJ (or to my knowledge, anywhere else). benEzra Sep 2016 #67

Gun control is a joke. Kang Colby Sep 2016 #22

A bad joke... beevul Sep 2016 #23

"Just say no" to more gun control. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #31

"There is even a complaint about the posting of articles discussing string theory in physics" beergood Sep 2016 #25

But you posted a perfectly legitimate scientific article. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #34

my apologies beergood Sep 2016 #71

I referred to the reference to your posts as made by your detractor. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #72

If I look at the sky through rose-colored glasses it appears purple. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #35

It's a meaningless metaphor. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #38

Because they do not. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #40

According to the poster I cited in my OP Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #42

I prefer proven fact to accepted fact. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #43

And I believe you, which is why its so disappointing to see you so determined to align with a group Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #48

A question. When you said: guillaumeb Sep 2016 #52

I'm going to say some things but don't take my word for it. Poll my fellow RKBA advocates. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #54

Second on the serious time for gun crimes and follow up on straw sales DonP Sep 2016 #55

I'll "third" these ideas. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #62

I understand that these are your personal views that may be shared. On that: guillaumeb Sep 2016 #66

I also prefer "allow" discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #69

I actually said "family" not immediate family because guillaumeb Sep 2016 #73

BGCs, carelessness, training, etc discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #79

Make training a yearly requirement? guillaumeb Sep 2016 #81

I'd be okay with an annual requirement discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #84

It's difficult to demand people do anything with their private property. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #70

The FOID card idea might work. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #74

One of the considerations is: Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #75

Training and testing might be something to subcontract to selected gun ranges guillaumeb Sep 2016 #76

Something tells me Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #77

quick question, gejohnston Sep 2016 #78

My first question would be:Does training ever hurt? guillaumeb Sep 2016 #80

If its used to turn a right into a privilege, yes, it hurts. N/T beevul Sep 2016 #82

"Does training ever hurt?" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #83

I second that approval. eom guillaumeb Sep 2016 #85

It doesn't hurt, gejohnston Sep 2016 #86

Would you support universal gun safety training... beevul Sep 2016 #87

If it had an "opt out" provision. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #88

That's a good idea discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #89

I wouldn't object to that. N/T beevul Sep 2016 #90

Book by liberal criminologists James Wright & Peter Rossi......... pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #61

To that crowd, they stopped being "Liberal" Criminologists when they published the research DonP Sep 2016 #63

Good enough for Jimmy Carter to hire, thrown under the bus by The Controllers. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #65

We've just been handed a prime example of how "gun control" relies on fabrication. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #46

Seems contrary to "we want a discussion" doesn't it? beevul Sep 2016 #47

Kind of like their version of "compromise"? DonP Sep 2016 #49

Exactly right Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #51

And not just in "Bans-a-lot Land." NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #50

Regarding guns, I get the two confused. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #64