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Eleanors38

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30. If you read about the history of gun-control, the extremist controllers set the tone...
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 03:57 PM
Aug 2016

some 50 years ago by demonizing gun-owners willy-nilly in the always compliant MSM. In fact, MSM is an institutional element of gun control. It is this markedly extremist position by MSM and the small number of well-positioned elites which has caused the liberalization (ironic, isn't it?) of gun laws around the nation over the last 30 years. In short, you have it backwards: The second amendment supporters responded to the controllers, only the former could make their laws stick and stick hard.

By now it should be obvious that the gun control outlook (it certainly is NOT a movement) wears no clothes. That is why it proposes more Leland Yee-type legislation, and has made demonization, animosity and that old go-to in American culture, shaming, to become its major "talking points." Second Amendmemt advocates have taken notice, and acted accordingly by passing ever-more liberalized gun laws, and in so doing filled the legislatures of most states in the Union with regrettably extremist legislators who know an issue gift when they see it. And those legislatures run the table with reapportionmemt schemes: They WILL be there for a long time, courtesy of that gift what keeps on giving: Gun control.

I would remind you that the nation's murder-by-gun rate has plunged over the last 20+ years, even as the number of firearms has balooned beyond anyone's expectations. I support UBCs, but what was once a reasonable measure with a chance of passage is more a pipe dream as the controllers can't resist that glance back at Sodom and loading up simple legislation with more and more restrictions. And each time the controllers propose unrealistic laws, the guns fly off the shelves, ammo goes in short supply, money flows into 2A pressure groups, and the Democratic Party gets smash-mouthed again. And again.

I have to show ID to buy ammo MattP Aug 2016 #1
It's more than just showing an ID ... NashuaDW Aug 2016 #5
No it does not add a significant amount of time to a regular clean buyer grubbs Aug 2016 #53
of course that is not the same as a background check is it? Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #6
Apply that to voting - a less constitutionally protected right. N/T beevul Aug 2016 #20
Well, two days and still no answer. beevul Aug 2016 #43
Oh well MFM008 Aug 2016 #2
Lets also require an ID for voting Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #33
She wants to live in the times of Annie Oakley??? Dawson Leery Aug 2016 #3
so you are calling an Olympic competitor Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #7
And she would be more than welcome to move here. n/t oneshooter Aug 2016 #11
Reading is Fundamental, my friend. appal_jack Aug 2016 #13
Meet the guy who wrote and first introduced those new gejohnston Aug 2016 #15
What do you call people who support the convicted gun-runner Leland Yee? Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #25
So, she has to show ID to purchase hundreds or thousands of rounds stopbush Aug 2016 #4
It is a full background check Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #8
The real issue is the cost and time on the store Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #32
The gun-control extremists wreck any opportunity at reasonable measures like UBCs... Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #26
The gun-control advocates are simply responding to th gun lobby which will stopbush Aug 2016 #27
If you read about the history of gun-control, the extremist controllers set the tone... Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #30
Right. Sure they are... beevul Aug 2016 #36
It's the extreme restricions that make RKBA advocates so distrustful of gun control. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #40
The new laws in California are pretty overbearing bluestateguy Aug 2016 #9
Maybe she should stay in Rio mwrguy Aug 2016 #10
Why should a gold-medal winning Olympian abandon her own country? appal_jack Aug 2016 #12
or Brazil gejohnston Aug 2016 #16
Or consider Mexico, only 1 gun store in the whole country, total gun control very safe there DonP Aug 2016 #18
Brazil's gun laws are stricter than the UK's or Australia's gejohnston Aug 2016 #14
But Brazil isn't industrialized enough to have them counted as having a higher... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #19
You would... beevul Aug 2016 #21
Of course I would be happy to trade a teabagger for a progressive mwrguy Aug 2016 #22
Thats an answer to aquestion that I didn't ask. beevul Aug 2016 #23
Really? sarisataka Aug 2016 #29
That sound a lot like "Send 'em back to ______!" Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #31
Its nice to be able to make your own ammunition... virginia mountainman Aug 2016 #17
Reuters is virulently anti-gun. THAT'S the reason she expected "gun control" to be more important Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #24
What did those skeet ever do to her? underpants Aug 2016 #28
She sees her future as an NRA shill. anamandujano Aug 2016 #34
Right. HOW DARE she confront dishonest political theater. NT pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #35
Are parents grieving dead children dishonest political theater? anamandujano Aug 2016 #37
No, but gratuitous mention of dead children is. It's known as 'appealing to emotion' or Lovejoying: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #39
"gratuitous" anamandujano Aug 2016 #41
You've present a far better case... beevul Aug 2016 #45
You 'rested your case' by using logical fallacies? Shades of 'Hitchen's razor': friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #46
. anamandujano Aug 2016 #49
So far, thats your most "inteligent" argument DonP Aug 2016 #50
And, in the meantime, I own a Kalashnikov and remain quite sane, thank you... derby378 Aug 2016 #55
They were at the rnc. beevul Aug 2016 #48
"I'm not interested in debating this crap with you any further..........." pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #54
"(T)he NRA pays better." They do? And how did you come to know this? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #38
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ anamandujano Aug 2016 #42
So, no evidence. Did you perchance attend the College of It Stands to Reason?: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #44
Oh you mean when you don't have any proof, just make shit up DonP Aug 2016 #47
Lol, no answer as usual when challenged Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #52
Color me surprised liberal N proud Aug 2016 #51
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