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In reply to the discussion: How to stop gun proliferation in the US [View all]guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)163. You state that, in your view, the chief reason for carrying is self defense.
If this is your view, and talking about defensive gun use, (DGU),
In contrast, DGUs cannot be directly counted, but have to be estimated. Police and hospitals do not keep track of DGUs, nor investigate DGUs as crimes are investigated, so currently there is no way to directly count DGUs. The most common way to estimate DGUs is to do a survey: the researchers pick a number of people who they think are representative of the area or region they are investigating, and then ask those people if they have used their guns defensively. The incidence of DGU is that area or region under study is then calculated from the responses of those surveyed. This method of estimation depends on a couple of critical methodological factors:
So these statistics about DGU are not reliable numbers, they are estimates, thus subject to the ability and integrity of the ones commissioning the survey.
Estimates of gun use for self defense vary widely, in part due to definitional differences in self-defensive gun use, different data sources and questions about accuracy of data, particularly when self-reported. The NCVS [National Crime Victim Survey] has estimated 60,000 to 120,000 defensive uses of guns per year (McDowell et al. 1998). Another body of research estimated annual gun use for self defense to be much higher, up to 2.5 million incidents, suggesting that self defense can be an important crime deterrent (Kleck and Gertz, 1995). (CDC report, pg. 45-46)
So the estimated range of DGUs runs from 60,000 per year to 2.5 million. Quite a variance. A massive variance.
And you and others here speak and have spoken of believing that carrying a gun for protection will give you a better chance of avoiding being a victim. If that belief is true, there should be some statistical evidence of this.
* According to the CDC report: The 2005 National Research Council study found no persuasive evidence from available studies that passage of right to carry laws decrease or increase violent crime.
SO if carrying does not decrease or increase violent crime it would seem that the belief that carrying a gun helps to make one safer is an article of faith unsupported by evidence.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/9/17/1238623/-Defensive-Gun-Use-The-CDC-Report-on-Gun-Violence
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Japan's suicides prefer rope and high places. And its rate is far greater than ours.
Eleanors38
Jul 2016
#140
why do so many gun owners feel this need to claim they have guns for personal protection?
gejohnston
Jul 2016
#38
"Red Dawn?" How about good sense dawning? Until police arrive, YOU ARE the first line of defense.
Eleanors38
Jul 2016
#142
You state that, in your view, the chief reason for carrying is self defense.
guillaumeb
Jul 2016
#163
Who knows? Fertilizer bombs, lack powder bombs, vehicles, arson w/ accelerant, machete...
Eleanors38
Jul 2016
#180
How does one use force or threat of force in an intentionally voluntary act?
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#57
Suicide is a voluntary intentional act. Violence is the use of force or threat of force
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#61
Actually the 300+yr old standard definition of the words, in the English language, convinced me
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#63
Now look up suicide...see if you can figure out how you force a voluntary act
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#65
IOWs, you abandoned the 300 year old standard English definition to embrace
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#98
How about asking whether the choice people may make to kill themselves with a gun
jmg257
Jul 2016
#56
its their life and their choice. Calling it violence is a dishonest means to inflate
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#60
I need the same number of bullets as any member of the President's security detail
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#86
Have you even been in the same location where someone was shooting a gun
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#85
Absolutely. Which makes me wonder why you would think now more than 3 rounds
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#102
Oh commmme onnnn. Next you'll tell us this happens to trained professionals too
Press Virginia
Jul 2016
#114
What are the chances for any one person to be killed by a terrorist in the US?
guillaumeb
Jul 2016
#55
There is a more bad blood in the world than you can possibly imagine
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jul 2016
#32
"Its time to end the war on drugs and spend that money helping those with addiction problems."
pablo_marmol
Jul 2016
#50