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Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
21. Please, please, you're killing me . . .
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jul 2016

You know I have no problem with the VPC statistics.

I have a problem with you trying to claim they represent the number of instances where a defensive gun stopped a violent crime. That's not what they represent and you know it.

As far as "so many DGU's [that] don't resolve to someone dying" what those statistic show is "so many DGU's that don't result in people being protected."

I apologize for suggesting that you are among the folks who point to the 100's of millions of privately-owned firearms in this country and say "banning guns is an impossibility." Of course, we know that just the opposite is true. As some are fond of pointing out, a majority of these weapons are held by law-abiding citizens. IF the new justice appointed by Hillary Clinton (considered by some the most anti-gun candidate in history) were to vote with the 4 dissenters in Heller, the "2nd Amendment creates an individual right" doctrine falls. IF a new Congress votes to strictly limit the private ownership of firearms, these citizens (being law-abiding) would voluntarily surrender their weapons, right?

Listen, I know it's tough for you guys. You use crime statistics which are inflated by the inclusion of crimes committed in areas that most of you all wouldn't dare go (even with your "self-protection&quot to convince upper-middle class suburbanites with substantial disposable incomes that they are in danger from the shadowy figure hiding in their well-manicured hedge so they will pluck down $800-1000 to join your "self-protection" club. Otherwise, you become the whipping boy for this country's refusal to address social problems in a constructive manner (which, btw, is not "getting tough on crime&quot .

Unfortunately, because we won't address these social problems, this self-protection myth is swelling number of weapons in the stream of commerce (where they are available to all)and putting us as a society in greater danger.

What would be the number? [View all] needledriver Jul 2016 OP
How would you substantiate the number of lives saved just based on the number of DGUs? jmg257 Jul 2016 #1
I don't. needledriver Jul 2016 #3
Yes, agreed that any lives saved count - figuring it as the main purpose of self-defense. jmg257 Jul 2016 #6
Even though I believe that guns result in a "null effect" w/regard to violence......... pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #2
People talk about throwing out the 2nd Amendment. JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #4
If it saves one life, it's worth it. ileus Jul 2016 #5
Total propaganda Uponthegears Jul 2016 #7
You may call it bull puckey needledriver Jul 2016 #12
See #18 Uponthegears Jul 2016 #19
Somehow I find the claim that there are 50,000 defensive gun uses SheilaT Jul 2016 #8
Its actually a bit low - Check with the VPC... jmg257 Jul 2016 #9
Then why don't I read about these things every single day, SheilaT Jul 2016 #10
Don't like facts, huh? DonP Jul 2016 #11
Your viewpoint is based in a false assumption. beevul Jul 2016 #14
Not sure - they are often posted here, when it makes the news. jmg257 Jul 2016 #15
The reason you do not sarisataka Jul 2016 #16
Two things- needledriver Jul 2016 #17
Perhaps because they don't get reposted by the sites you visit? LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #26
because the media doesn't choose to report them, gejohnston Jul 2016 #28
Will you folks stop at nothing?????? Uponthegears Jul 2016 #18
Sorry - VPCs numbers are hardly mis-leading - quoted very specific DGU values as THEY provided them. jmg257 Jul 2016 #20
Please, please, you're killing me . . . Uponthegears Jul 2016 #21
"I have a problem with you trying to claim they represent the number of instances where a defensive jmg257 Jul 2016 #22
That would be real embarrassing Uponthegears Jul 2016 #23
He he - No worries...Cheers! I do hear you! jmg257 Jul 2016 #24
I am not a statistician needledriver Jul 2016 #25
"How many additional deaths per year of people unable to defend themselves would you be willing to jmg257 Jul 2016 #27
Sorry- that was not for you. needledriver Jul 2016 #29
All Guns Matter SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #13
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