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Gun Control & RKBA

jmg257

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20. Sorry - VPCs numbers are hardly mis-leading - quoted very specific DGU values as THEY provided them.

Reply to Uponthegears (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 12:56 PM

Jul 2016

You want to count how many people were actually justifiably killed, or how many DGU were actually successful - good on you, but that was not the topic of discussion.

It was THEIR 'CHART' QUOTES, not mine - I even highlighted different categories so it was rather obvious what was what (i.e. property crimes). I posted a link to the entire pdf, so anyone can do their own research.

But it is nice to see so many DGUs don't resolve to someone dying.

"you folks proudly proclaim render gun control an impossibility"

I am sure you mean someone else here, as I never say that.

"Even if we leave out those uncontrollable criminals who killed 8000, "

I disagree here also - vast majority of these criminals are quite controllable, just need the REAL desire to so.

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What would be the number? [View all] needledriver Jul 2016 OP

How would you substantiate the number of lives saved just based on the number of DGUs? jmg257 Jul 2016 #1

I don't. needledriver Jul 2016 #3

Yes, agreed that any lives saved count - figuring it as the main purpose of self-defense. jmg257 Jul 2016 #6

Even though I believe that guns result in a "null effect" w/regard to violence......... pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #2

People talk about throwing out the 2nd Amendment. JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #4

If it saves one life, it's worth it. ileus Jul 2016 #5

Total propaganda Uponthegears Jul 2016 #7

You may call it bull puckey needledriver Jul 2016 #12

See #18 Uponthegears Jul 2016 #19

Somehow I find the claim that there are 50,000 defensive gun uses SheilaT Jul 2016 #8

Its actually a bit low - Check with the VPC... jmg257 Jul 2016 #9

Then why don't I read about these things every single day, SheilaT Jul 2016 #10

Don't like facts, huh? DonP Jul 2016 #11

Your viewpoint is based in a false assumption. beevul Jul 2016 #14

Not sure - they are often posted here, when it makes the news. jmg257 Jul 2016 #15

The reason you do not sarisataka Jul 2016 #16

Two things- needledriver Jul 2016 #17

Perhaps because they don't get reposted by the sites you visit? LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #26

because the media doesn't choose to report them, gejohnston Jul 2016 #28

Will you folks stop at nothing?????? Uponthegears Jul 2016 #18

Sorry - VPCs numbers are hardly mis-leading - quoted very specific DGU values as THEY provided them. jmg257 Jul 2016 #20

Please, please, you're killing me . . . Uponthegears Jul 2016 #21

"I have a problem with you trying to claim they represent the number of instances where a defensive jmg257 Jul 2016 #22

That would be real embarrassing Uponthegears Jul 2016 #23

He he - No worries...Cheers! I do hear you! jmg257 Jul 2016 #24

I am not a statistician needledriver Jul 2016 #25

"How many additional deaths per year of people unable to defend themselves would you be willing to jmg257 Jul 2016 #27

Sorry- that was not for you. needledriver Jul 2016 #29

All Guns Matter SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #13