Gun Control & RKBA

krispos42

(49,445 posts)

35. Step one: make firearm ownership a priviledge, not a right.

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:27 AM

Jul 2016

Murders with guns and murders with non-guns are linked; generally speaking, about two-thirds of murders are with guns and one third are with non-guns. Gun accidents are a very small percentage of gun-related death.

For any number you list, you'd have to add a number, equal to about half of the original number, which would be non-gun murders. Which would be an indication of an overall increase in violent crime.

E.g., 100,000 gun-related murders a year would have about 50,000 non-gun-related murders a year. This is about ten times our current rate. What kind of severe change to our country would increase the violent crime rate (including murders) by a factor of 10?

I don't know but it might involve the policies of President Trump.

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What is the number? [View all] DetlefK Jul 2016 OP

Only if your serious. JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #1

Do you feel the same about alcohol Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #2

Im sure you will get accused of dodging the question Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #3

Don't forget about banning shadowrider Jul 2016 #4

We know it really is not about saving lives Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #7

Okay... Then imagine if the 2nd Amendment included the right to use pools and cars. DetlefK Jul 2016 #10

Children can use a pool without adult supervision Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #13

Only a good-guy-with-a-beer can stop a bad-guy-with-a-beer. DetlefK Jul 2016 #8

So, all those wrecks where people are killed or maimed by drunk drivers Waldorf Jul 2016 #9

The US decided long ago that gun-deaths and alcohol-deaths don't count. DetlefK Jul 2016 #12

So just like alcohol Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #16

You know what's funny about that? DetlefK Jul 2016 #17

Not really funny Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #18

What's worse is how big an impact illegal marijuana & other drugs have on gun violence jmg257 Jul 2016 #23

"I can assure you............." pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #24

Lets see. When I bought some wine the other day, I just plunked down some cash or swiped my debit Waldorf Jul 2016 #40

Tell that to the tens of thousands killed by drunk drivers Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #15

Numbers. DetlefK Jul 2016 #19

Just like guns. hack89 Jul 2016 #21

I'm staying PROGRESSIVE on ALL my RIGHTS. ileus Jul 2016 #5

My second amendment rights, Oneka Jul 2016 #6

Well said citood Jul 2016 #28

Thank you. Oneka Jul 2016 #38

Brutus 2... jmg257 Jul 2016 #39

Why should I give up a civil liberty ... virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #11

So... I take that your answer is "infinity"? DetlefK Jul 2016 #14

If all other means are tried and fail then I would consider it hack89 Jul 2016 #22

I have never.... Puha Ekapi Jul 2016 #27

I have not harmed anyone.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #31

Those are not YOUR rights. Those are everybody's rights. DetlefK Jul 2016 #43

Unless he isn't incuded in "everybody"... beevul Jul 2016 #50

Would your respose be different if it was, say, the 4th Amendment? krispos42 Jul 2016 #36

If everything that can be done is being done to remove the threat from the less then 1% jmg257 Jul 2016 #20

Exactly citood Jul 2016 #29

I wonder of what % of a decrease in gun violence would be acceptable to jmg257 Jul 2016 #30

Less than 200 deaths a year nationwide isn't low enough for the fundamentalists. benEzra Jul 2016 #42

I'm not against the 2nd Amendment per se. DetlefK Jul 2016 #44

Understood...would a 50-70% decrease be acceptable? jmg257 Jul 2016 #48

Silly question. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #25

If wikipedia is correct, 7,400,000,000 discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #26

None of the above. nt Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #32

One. sarisataka Jul 2016 #33

Nicely done. I would also add that if I ever decide to kill myself, my choice to do so jmg257 Jul 2016 #34

Step one: make firearm ownership a priviledge, not a right. krispos42 Jul 2016 #35

What do those gun deaths have to do with me? beevul Jul 2016 #37

How many crimes should an innocent person be charged with? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #41

You totally misread my OP. DetlefK Jul 2016 #45

Rights cannot be turned into a privilege; they can either be recognized or violated. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #46

I am not asking you to accept anything. I am asking for you to make an active decision. DetlefK Jul 2016 #47

I cannot surrender a right on behalf of others. Rights are inextricably linked to our natural being. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #49

"If the 2nd Amendment right can be identified as the cause of gun-violence..." beevul Jul 2016 #51