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Gun Control & RKBA

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needledriver

(836 posts)
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:16 AM Jul 2016

What would be the number? [View all]

Suppose you are opposed to the right affirmed by the 2nd Amendment.

Suppose people are able to defend themselves in life threatening circumstances; from abusive and violent spouses, from armed home invasions, from armed assaults and robberies, and more.

How many lives saved by people who were able to choose to use firearms to defend themselves would it take to convince you that the 2nd Amendment has an overall positive value and should be let stand?

If even one life is saved for every life taken?
Two lives to one?
Five lives to one?
Ten lives to one?

As it stands right now, the lowest estimate of defensive gun uses per year in the US is around 50,000, while the number of deaths from murder or accident by firearm are around 15,000.

That's ratio of about 3 1/2 lives saved for every life lost. That's 35,000 people a year (who may very well have lost their lives had they not been able to defend themselves) more than the 15,000 a year who lost their lives to firearms accident and violence.

Suppose you are successful in opposing the 2nd Amendment and the result is that everyone who would otherwise be able to defend themselves with a firearm is now not able, and loses their life as a result.

How many additional deaths per year of people unable to defend themselves would you be willing to accept as the price for getting rid of the people's right to keep and bear arms?

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What would be the number? [View all] needledriver Jul 2016 OP
How would you substantiate the number of lives saved just based on the number of DGUs? jmg257 Jul 2016 #1
I don't. needledriver Jul 2016 #3
Yes, agreed that any lives saved count - figuring it as the main purpose of self-defense. jmg257 Jul 2016 #6
Even though I believe that guns result in a "null effect" w/regard to violence......... pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #2
People talk about throwing out the 2nd Amendment. JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #4
If it saves one life, it's worth it. ileus Jul 2016 #5
Total propaganda Uponthegears Jul 2016 #7
You may call it bull puckey needledriver Jul 2016 #12
See #18 Uponthegears Jul 2016 #19
Somehow I find the claim that there are 50,000 defensive gun uses SheilaT Jul 2016 #8
Its actually a bit low - Check with the VPC... jmg257 Jul 2016 #9
Then why don't I read about these things every single day, SheilaT Jul 2016 #10
Don't like facts, huh? DonP Jul 2016 #11
Your viewpoint is based in a false assumption. beevul Jul 2016 #14
Not sure - they are often posted here, when it makes the news. jmg257 Jul 2016 #15
The reason you do not sarisataka Jul 2016 #16
Two things- needledriver Jul 2016 #17
Perhaps because they don't get reposted by the sites you visit? LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #26
because the media doesn't choose to report them, gejohnston Jul 2016 #28
Will you folks stop at nothing?????? Uponthegears Jul 2016 #18
Sorry - VPCs numbers are hardly mis-leading - quoted very specific DGU values as THEY provided them. jmg257 Jul 2016 #20
Please, please, you're killing me . . . Uponthegears Jul 2016 #21
"I have a problem with you trying to claim they represent the number of instances where a defensive jmg257 Jul 2016 #22
That would be real embarrassing Uponthegears Jul 2016 #23
He he - No worries...Cheers! I do hear you! jmg257 Jul 2016 #24
I am not a statistician needledriver Jul 2016 #25
"How many additional deaths per year of people unable to defend themselves would you be willing to jmg257 Jul 2016 #27
Sorry- that was not for you. needledriver Jul 2016 #29
All Guns Matter SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #13
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