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Gun Control & RKBA

In reply to the discussion: Tipping point. [View all]
 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
21. No, not even close
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Fri Jul 1, 2016, 10:16 AM - Edit history (1)

We've heard this song at least 30 times in the past few years on DU, sometimes it's "The tide is turning", but words to the same effect. It's become a punch line, as each time the new poster declares; "This time it's real!!!"

It's still been over 20 years since the last piece of national legislation was passed. Since then, all 50 states now have concealed carry laws on the books, most states have loosened their gun laws and 10 states have done away with their required carry permit system for residents and gone to constitutional carry. Not one state has even considered repealing their concealed carry laws.

With 31 GOP Governors now, versus only 18 Dems in the states (1 Indie), there is going continue to be limited opportunity for any action there as well.

Gun control minded folk are so eager to find some desperate way to declare any kind of victory in the culture wars, they grasp at every "back bencher" that issues a press release and "introduces" a bill for anything even vaguely resembling gun control, no matter how dismal the prospects of it passing or how obvious a stunt as an appeal for donations.

Gun control, in spite of claims to the contrary, is still a top down effort, run and funded by a handful of 1%ers in the Joyce Foundation and the racist Bloomberg.

It has no grass roots base, no dues paying membership, no infrastructure to respond and lobby with actual votes they can sway. In general the supporters are big shots at spouting online, but fade into obscurity when called on to get off the couch and actually do anything in the real world. Certainly not reach for their own checkbooks.

The last NRA meeting had over 80,000 attendees and maybe 20 protestors, most bused in by Bloomberg with his employee Shannon Watts for a pathetic little press event. Gun Control as a "movement" is so short sighted they don't even know the other organizations like the SAF or all the state level organizations TSRA, ISRA, VCDL, etc., so all they can do is keep blaming the NRA, when it was actually the SAF that whipped their ass in court. That's some serious stupid, right there.

How about all those other industry conferences where there are protest opportunities like the S.H.O.T. Show and others. Hell, they don't even show up at local gun shows right down the street to protest. How many have you gone to protest at?

Tipping Point? Feh!

Tipping point. [View all] mog75 Jun 2016 OP
Great! How about liability on the part of any gun owner whose weapon is used to harm others? Human101948 Jun 2016 #1
How about liability for the police and their employers who lose guns that are then used in crimes? Human101948 Jun 2016 #2
There is already liability for using a firearm to illegaly harm others. oneshooter Jun 2016 #3
yeah, yeah, what about the thousands of owners who don't lock up their guns Human101948 Jun 2016 #6
If they are not locked up, and then stolen and used illegaly oneshooter Jun 2016 #20
A car is not a gun... Human101948 Jun 2016 #22
So you are claimimg that a car can not be used to injure or kill? n/t oneshooter Jun 2016 #23
A car is not designed for the sole purpose of killing. A gun is. Katashi_itto Jul 2016 #26
If they are designed for transportation only oneshooter Jul 2016 #28
preconceptions & prejudice >> logic and/or facts n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #29
If someone harms another who is not an attacker, I would prefer jail. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #5
Worst thing about gun-free zones is the advertising. Sheesh. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #4
The gun free zone is a gun nut myth... Human101948 Jun 2016 #7
Oh yeah, and there was an armed guard at the Orlando shooting... Human101948 Jun 2016 #8
bullshit gejohnston Jun 2016 #9
You protestations are duly noted... Human101948 Jun 2016 #10
yes, but I provided a source not tied to any ideology gejohnston Jun 2016 #12
Your source is a fountain of gun propaganda.. Human101948 Jun 2016 #14
no body armor in that specific case gejohnston Jun 2016 #15
Hard fact, Human: More guns in circulation, murder rates are down. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #11
Hard fact, if you have a gun in the home you are more likely to die a violent death... Human101948 Jun 2016 #13
critical thinking hint, gejohnston Jun 2016 #16
You won't like this one as well! Human101948 Jun 2016 #17
there are three outlooks in criminology circles gejohnston Jun 2016 #18
Straw colossus. Few in the pro-2A group here buy into Lott's theory. Note CDC findings. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #32
Here's the thing about correlation ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #33
If you are in a home equipped with electricity, you are more likely to be electrocuted. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #27
back on topic mog75 Jun 2016 #19
No, not even close DonP Jun 2016 #21
Did you read the article? Kang Colby Jul 2016 #34
Sorry, after two weeks of getting the crap kicked out of me I missed that DonP Jul 2016 #36
You were probably doing a lot of the kicking. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #25
"harshes my vibe." Heh-Heh. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #31
No. But the issue will persist as it is culture war by proxy... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #30
"This is readly assisted by a Democratic Party which has junked any FDR/LBJ pretenses......" pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #38
If I can avoid a "hide," the Party pretty much gave up on a sound ideology for change... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #41
**Very** well said, E38. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #43
Yup, it's a tipping point alright... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #24
This is clearly the tipping point. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #35
Great idea. Strip citizens of the right to self-defense - pay any consequences. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #39
I hope you're right...self defense should be #1 priority. ileus Jul 2016 #40
I appreciate this post, as it strongly suggest a larger issue than gun control... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #42
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