Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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18. there are three outlooks in criminology circles

Reply to Human101948 (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:41 PM

Jun 2016

which do not include Donohue nor Lott. since they not criminologists. There is also no link to the study, and Donohue's past work on the issue isn't that great either. BTW, what peer reviewed criminology journal did he submit it to? I'm guessing he didn't.
The plurality of criminologists who study it share Gary Kleck's view that gun laws or the existence of guns make no difference. Next is Lott and those who agree with him. Donohue and Hemenway is close to close to the percentage of climatologists who think nothing is changing.

If more guns means more crime, why does Norway and Iceland have much lower crime and murder rates than UK, Mexico, and Brazil? In terms of percentage of people who own guns, Iceland rivals us, with Norway not too far behind. There are also parts of Norway where owning and carrying is actually mandated by law.

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Tipping point. [View all] mog75 Jun 2016 OP

Great! How about liability on the part of any gun owner whose weapon is used to harm others? Human101948 Jun 2016 #1

How about liability for the police and their employers who lose guns that are then used in crimes? Human101948 Jun 2016 #2

There is already liability for using a firearm to illegaly harm others. oneshooter Jun 2016 #3

yeah, yeah, what about the thousands of owners who don't lock up their guns Human101948 Jun 2016 #6

If they are not locked up, and then stolen and used illegaly oneshooter Jun 2016 #20

A car is not a gun... Human101948 Jun 2016 #22

So you are claimimg that a car can not be used to injure or kill? n/t oneshooter Jun 2016 #23

A car is not designed for the sole purpose of killing. A gun is. Katashi_itto Jul 2016 #26

If they are designed for transportation only oneshooter Jul 2016 #28

preconceptions & prejudice >> logic and/or facts n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #29

If someone harms another who is not an attacker, I would prefer jail. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #5

Worst thing about gun-free zones is the advertising. Sheesh. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #4

The gun free zone is a gun nut myth... Human101948 Jun 2016 #7

Oh yeah, and there was an armed guard at the Orlando shooting... Human101948 Jun 2016 #8

bullshit gejohnston Jun 2016 #9

You protestations are duly noted... Human101948 Jun 2016 #10

yes, but I provided a source not tied to any ideology gejohnston Jun 2016 #12

Your source is a fountain of gun propaganda.. Human101948 Jun 2016 #14

no body armor in that specific case gejohnston Jun 2016 #15

Hard fact, Human: More guns in circulation, murder rates are down. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #11

Hard fact, if you have a gun in the home you are more likely to die a violent death... Human101948 Jun 2016 #13

critical thinking hint, gejohnston Jun 2016 #16

You won't like this one as well! Human101948 Jun 2016 #17

there are three outlooks in criminology circles gejohnston Jun 2016 #18

Straw colossus. Few in the pro-2A group here buy into Lott's theory. Note CDC findings. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #32

Here's the thing about correlation ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #33

If you are in a home equipped with electricity, you are more likely to be electrocuted. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #27

back on topic mog75 Jun 2016 #19

No, not even close DonP Jun 2016 #21

Did you read the article? Kang Colby Jul 2016 #34

Sorry, after two weeks of getting the crap kicked out of me I missed that DonP Jul 2016 #36

You were probably doing a lot of the kicking. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #25

"harshes my vibe." Heh-Heh. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #31

No. But the issue will persist as it is culture war by proxy... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #30

"This is readly assisted by a Democratic Party which has junked any FDR/LBJ pretenses......" pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #38

If I can avoid a "hide," the Party pretty much gave up on a sound ideology for change... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #41

**Very** well said, E38. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #43

Yup, it's a tipping point alright... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #24

This is clearly the tipping point. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #35

Great idea. Strip citizens of the right to self-defense - pay any consequences. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #39

I hope you're right...self defense should be #1 priority. ileus Jul 2016 #40

I appreciate this post, as it strongly suggest a larger issue than gun control... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #42