Gun Control & RKBA

krispos42

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129. Just like nearly every other gun in the country.

Sat Jun 25, 2016, 09:39 PM

Jun 2016

Let's face it... Nearly every gun in this country, in the hands of a relentless killer who picks a nice soft target, is capable of getting off dozens of shots before armed police can intervene. Revolver, lever-action gun, double barreled shotgun... Given a five-minute police response time and competent gun handling skills, dozens of shots can be fired before the first police cars screech to a halt.

Your issue seems to be that the amount of built-in customization and personal ergonomic adjustment somehow makes an AR-15 just that much faster as to be unacceptably deadly.

That an AR-15 is acceptably deadly as long as it doesn't have an ergonomic pistol grip, but that slightly superior grip and the modest increase is handling put it over some arbitrary edge.

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Why millions of Americans — including me — own the AR-15 [View all] Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 OP

Exactly Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #1

In other words, a handy-dandy modular mass slaughter machine. leveymg Jun 2016 #2

You obviously... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #5

I actually did. The primary argument in favor is that it's a convenient, easy to use killing machine leveymg Jun 2016 #8

I have four and have never killed a living thing. hack89 Jun 2016 #6

I have some old NRA patches from Boy Scout camp, myself. leveymg Jun 2016 #11

I'm sure... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #13

No one in Congress is dumb enough to actually confiscate guns hack89 Jun 2016 #14

So you must only use it for target shooting. In that case you could leave it locked at a range and The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #32

Because we know that guns ranges are so secure hack89 Jun 2016 #54

So all gun stores are safe. Gees, bad argument. At least their would be certified responsibility. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #105

And anyone shot would be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #106

Where does it stop. When does the safety of the child on the street count on everyone having an AK? The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #108

The firearms that I own... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #109

Just a few points here discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #119

They pay a lot for security and insurance hack89 Jun 2016 #107

At least as safe as military armories. Heh. But you knew that. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #111

If you have to go back to the 1920's, it seems quite safe. Where can we begin? Things have to The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #115

Do I want to be shot? No. And I don't fear that. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #118

I was talking about the plural "you". The threat is not with you but those who are the prey of too The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #123

Pehaps you can point to someone actually saying; "there should be a gun in every hand"? DonP Jun 2016 #124

Is it enforced? I thought it was archaic and ignored as senseless. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #125

The NRA... Human101948 Jun 2016 #126

Oh, you mean those "stupid" armed guards in every Chicago high school ... DonP Jun 2016 #128

Well, to be fair... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #130

Yeah, that "big win" will be in court in a New York Minute DonP Jun 2016 #131

Your biggest problem at ATL is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #136

There are good limits in place. I support UBCs to extend the current prohibitions Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #137

Your hobby has killed many people lewebley3 Jul 2016 #152

You talking about my bourbon collection? nt hack89 Jul 2016 #156

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Not too many blunt objects have been used for mass murders. leveymg Jun 2016 #24

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #27

You said, "About a rifle that is used in fewer killings than blunt objects, by the way -- such good leveymg Jun 2016 #30

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #34

doesn't imply anything gejohnston Jun 2016 #35

Logical and persuasive are more than simply reasonable. leveymg Jun 2016 #56

except that you are assuming, gejohnston Jun 2016 #59

Except, that I am correct. leveymg Jun 2016 #82

your logical fallacy is gejohnston Jun 2016 #86

According to you, I am a liar. That's not an argument, it's attack. leveymg Jun 2016 #101

no, and you don't know what the word liar means gejohnston Jun 2016 #102

Gosh, leveymg, you seem to have a hair-trigger. "Attack?" Hardly. OKC. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #112

Better keep this person away from a gun! ;-) NT pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #139

That argument is so compelling... Jerry442 Jun 2016 #52

As is fertilizer and diesel fuel. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #110

Just like nearly every other gun in the country. krispos42 Jun 2016 #129

People are are dying to for this guys hobby: he should be ashamed of himself lewebley3 Jul 2016 #151

Au contraire, those who call a civil right a hobby should be ashamed of themselves... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #154

The country has a right to regulate guns: that's the countries civil rights according lewebley3 Jul 2016 #158

firearms ownership.. Puha Ekapi Jul 2016 #159

Even if we could cut the number of guns in the nation in HALF........ pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #161

Countries do not have rights, they have powers. People have rights... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #162

Emphasis mine: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #163

Obviously the framers were talking about 'the people' then... beevul Jul 2016 #164

The people are the goverment: they are not seperate from the goverment lewebley3 Jul 2016 #166

"...of the people, by the people, for the people..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #167

That's one of the stupidest things I've read in this thread... NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #173

I see your point BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #3

Great use of modern marketing jargon The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #4

Do you know what has killed many more? hack89 Jun 2016 #7

Give it some more time. leveymg Jun 2016 #9

So what ? The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #17

Is it safe to assume you regard all guns as "nasty"? nt hack89 Jun 2016 #19

Look I'm not going to waste any more time with you The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #37

I fine with that. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #55

That comment shows how little you know... virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #18

More people killed by rocks ... rickford66 Jun 2016 #77

Uh, how many people would have died in Orlando if the shooter used one of those? nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #103

Getting heavy are they? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #104

Actually, the government keeps count: Fewer than 300 deaths from ALL rifles... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #149

My ex killed feral hogs and javalinas with a regular old 30-06. Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #10

A regular old .30-06? Straw Man Jun 2016 #15

"On American streets" is anti-gun speak for "in private hands". beevul Jun 2016 #61

Your 30-06 was designed to kill humans oneshooter Jun 2016 #16

Like the British Lee Enfield virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #20

But but... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #26

ROFLMAO!!! virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #23

You STOP THAT! RME_SFC Jun 2016 #140

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Isn't a .30-06 for hogs over kill? gejohnston Jun 2016 #31

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Are you under the impression that the .30-06 is not a "people killer" designed for military use? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #39

They are designed to send a projectile down the barrel with great speed and accuracy. Waldorf Jun 2016 #71

In case you haven't figured it out, the rifle in #15 is semi-auto, like the ARs. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #113

Excellent article, and worth a cross post in GD. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #12

And we will continue to own them.. virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #22

How many US citizens have a daily or even occasional need guillaumeb Jun 2016 #28

This is nothing but gun porn to feed the fantasies of anxious white males gejohnston Jun 2016 #33

Indeed so, very sad Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #40

So I am thus a self-hating white male? guillaumeb Jun 2016 #47

What about... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #44

Please delete the words "white males" guillaumeb Jun 2016 #48

Perhaps not so fast chknltl Jun 2016 #80

Carl T Bogus, gejohnston Jun 2016 #87

The former slave states enacted all manner of Jim Crow laws to disarm blacks, post Civil War... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #114

And to add to that: guillaumeb Jun 2016 #120

Michael Bellisiles won the Bancroft Prize for history. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #150

This message was self-deleted by its author DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #29

Wow that took a while Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #41

You're welcome. DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #42

EDP. Sounds like a rap group. Maybe punk rock. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #132

Thank you shireen Jun 2016 #36

Urban Combat give me a f---g break. You mean when those people invade your suburbs doc03 Jun 2016 #43

The select fire Military version was designed for urban combat and CQB use. DonP Jun 2016 #45

And when the term "urban combat" is used, guillaumeb Jun 2016 #49

No, no color can be assumed. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #64

Where the hell or why would a civilian engage in urban combat? We know doc03 Jun 2016 #69

There is always the zombie hord. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #70

For a home invasion an AR-15 would be about my last choice of weapon. You are going to be at very doc03 Jun 2016 #72

Ummmmm....no Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #81

I hope you don't kill one of your family in the next room or your next door neighbor. doc03 Jun 2016 #91

Shotgun vs Semiauto carbine for home defense aside, do not use birdshot for defensive purposes. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #94

To say "it only inflicts a shallow surface wound" is incredibly ignorant. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #153

Did you not notice that I was speaking of birdshot? Just reading posts Jul 2016 #155

I see it differently. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #160

I agree with you on almost everything else tortoise1956 Jun 2016 #99

An AR 15.. Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #122

So, you van always called your local Law Enforcement. oneshooter Jun 2016 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #134

Good point tortoise1956 Jun 2016 #135

Lots of misconceptions there. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #90

Agreed. A semiauto carbine such as an AR-15 is an excellent firearm for home defense. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #133

This is the same nra bull we always hear MFM008 Jun 2016 #46

AR-15... elephant/rhino... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #51

Lol, yes talk about uninformed Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #67

Well.... RME_SFC Jun 2016 #141

One thing tortoise1956 Jun 2016 #143

Ah yes... RME_SFC Jun 2016 #144

Ummmm... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #53

Q: What do call the sticky stuff on the elephant's feet? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #60

Good one Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #68

W. D. m. Bell killed a large number of elephants with the 7 mm Mauser round. Hangingon Jun 2016 #62

...which is considerably... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #63

He was a fantastic shot. oneshooter Jun 2016 #75

He also used... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #84

I once knew had a 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser. Hangingon Jun 2016 #93

I have a couple of them. One is a semiautomatic rifle, the AG-42 Ljungman. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #96

He used a .276 Rigby which is the English version of the 6.5 S. oneshooter Jun 2016 #100

The AR-15....21st Century elephant rifle! Just reading posts Jun 2016 #57

I'm not one of these guys who think you should only speak if you're a gun expert... but really. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #58

Uh...What the...? beevul Jun 2016 #65

Its illegal to shoot a deer with an AR-15 here Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #76

Presuming it's chambered for 5.56mm, yes. It would be perfectly legal and appropriate were it Just reading posts Jun 2016 #78

AR's are perfectly legal to hunt with... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #83

Oh, why didn't you say so earlier matt819 Jun 2016 #50

Full of what? Straw Man Jun 2016 #66

Interesting matt819 Jun 2016 #74

Yes. Straw Man Jun 2016 #97

Did you not insinuate that feral hogs RME_SFC Jun 2016 #142

good article beergood Jun 2016 #73

They are fun to shoot. Any other reason is Buzz cook Jun 2016 #79

AR's are down to 550. Used CVA break actions run 190 bucks. ileus Jun 2016 #88

great for mopping up the fear-piss when you see a black kid on a bike go by! MisterP Jun 2016 #85

They make awful mops....not absorbent at all. ileus Jun 2016 #89

Really hoping you just forgot the sarcasm tag. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #92

"MisterP"? Okay. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #117

you do know beergood Jun 2016 #145

You don't say... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #146

Taibo beergood Jun 2016 #147

Yeah. Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #148

did you ever watch Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls? beergood Jul 2016 #157

I bought one years ago, didn't use it tortoise1956 Jun 2016 #98

Sounds like a win all around discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #121

Solid article. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #138

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #165

Cowardly? bolus Jul 2016 #168

You have an odd definition of cowardice. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #169

IMHO one sign of a coward might be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #170

Yup. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #171

Another example of cowardice........ pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #172