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beevul

(12,194 posts)
32. I did, I had never seen it before.
Sun May 15, 2016, 07:50 PM
May 2016

At 15:45 the defense: "lets talk a bit more now, about Mr. Zimmerman, you know him do you not?"

Pollock: "Absolutely."

Defense: "And do you recall when you first met him?"

Pollock: Yes.

Defense: "About when was that?"

Pollock: "That would have been, I want to say, roughly October of 2010"

Defense: "And he came to your gym?"

Pollock: "Correct".

Defense: "And what did he come to your gym for?"

Pollock: " Ah he came to lose weight and to get into shape".

Defense: "And did you assist him in that regard?"

Pollock: "Absolutely".

Defense at 18:30 "Then tell the jury if you would, just how accomplished he was, at grappling?"

Pollock: "Um, he wasn't, he was a rank beginner".

Pollock: "Well, theres a difference between somebody whos an accomplished athlete, and somebody whos just not physically an accomplished individual. Look, if you look at a professional athlete at any sport, you know, its really easy to say 'this guys just done, you know, a certain amount of work, but theres also a certain amount of predisposition that they have of athleticism, strength, that kind feeds for that, and then the more they train, the better they get and the faster they get and the stronger they get and things of that nature. So its...lets say we figured a scale of 1 to 10. If you start off a 1 youre going to do a lot more work to get to 10. If you start out a 5 because you've done a bunch of work previously, theres less work to get you to 10 comparatively.

Defense "Ok".

Pollock: "Usually when you see an accomplished athlete, when they come into a gym they've already had a history as a child of all kinds of athletics that they've been exposed to. And if you have an adult that hasn't had that type of background exposure, they're going to have a bit more work, and they're probably never going to get to the same degree of accomplishment that somebody that had that childhood background has had."

Defense: "On that scale of 1 to 10, when george zimmerman first got to you, what number would you assign to his abilities?"

Pollock: ".5"

Defense: "Less than a 1."

Pollock: "Yes".

Defense: "After, um...I'm going to sort of fast forward, as a grappler, having been through...uhh...let me ask this, tell us the...about the length of time where mr Zimmerman was involved with your gym.

Pollock: "George actually trained, once I looked up the information, it was just under a year, actually about a year that he was a part of the gym as far as training goes, and of that he had some time that he put his membership on hold because of his schedule and whatnot."

Defense: Ok. for future purposes, um, and to keep the record clear, I know that you may call him by his first name but were going to use first and last name, George Zimmerman, if you would, just so we keep it very clear".

Pollock: "yes sir".

Defense "He was there minus a few months of hiatus, did you say?"

Pollock : "yes"

Defense at 21:14: "So lets talk about boxing, he came to you...I think you said a .5...a zero point 5?"

Pollock: "Correct".

Defense at 22:05 : "So during that approximate year give or take a few months that he was involved with your facility and grappling, did he, he got from a .5 to what rating would you give him on your scale?"

Pollock: "maybe a 1, maybe a 1.5."

Defense: "And why so little progress?"

Pollock: "Well, its not that he made such little progress, its a tremendous amount of work, you know, its really easy to get the concept that that somebody joins up to golds gym and then are automatically a professional body builder, or if somebody joins up to a fight gym they're a world champion fighter, it just doesn't work that way. Its a tremendous amount a work, it takes a lot of dedication, a lot of athleticism...

Defense: "Did he simply not put that level of work into it?"

Pollock: "no he was very diligent, very coachable, very pleasant to work with, you know, um...There is just a certain strength level, and athleticism and it takes a tremendous amount of time to develop that, and he didn't have that history and background of childhood athletics that helps to create that.

Defense: "So on a similar scale if you would, not in the grappling environment but just in general athleticism, I think you've identified that you have a feel for where people fit in their abilities, based upon their history and athleticism, on a scale ofg 1 to 10 where would mr Zimmerman fit?"

Pollock: "Like I said, about a 1".

Defenseat 23:40: "Lets talk then about his proficiency in the boxing that he took."

Pollock : "Mhmm"

Defense: "First of all tell us what it is, how how, what you do when you start out and where you progress to as you learn more about boxing."

Pollock: "The way we first start in my facility, is we just simply getting proficient within your own body. So if you don't have control of your body its going to make sure...its not going to really facilitate other things working well. So if I started somebody in a boxing ring sparring right off the bat before they know how to punch or defend or move that's going to produce a pretty unpleasant result, you know, so instead of creating that type of situation where its a liability and people are just getting damaged, we'll start o0ff learning to control their body. Calesthenics, foot work, you know, ab work, just learning structural integrity and aligning their frame.

Defense: "ok. And, tell me then how mr Zimmerman came to you in the beginning again on a sort of scale of 1 to 10, as far as his boxing proficiency?"

Pollock: ".5"

Defense at 25:38 "Did mr Zimmerman ever get in the ring?

Pollock: "No."

Defense: "Why not?".

Pollock: "Because he wasn't skilled enough for that. Mr Zimmerman, you know, worked diligently at learning how to control his body better than what he had, and you know, the steps we'll start off as with calesthenics then we'll put a person on a heavy bag where they'll start to learn how to throw a punch, with shadow boxing and heavy bag work, and once they get proficient with that, then we'll start pairing them up with a partner for doing defensive counters where somebody would throw a punch at them and they learn how to go and defend the punch, catching pairing redirecting etc, and once they got proficient with that then we'll start learning how to move with slipping and weaving and shuffling and putting small movements to it.

Defense: "At what point did George Zimmerman get to in that training...sort of progression?"

Pollock: "He never got off shadow boxing and hitting the heavy bag and learning how to punch."

Defense: "So tell me or explain to the jury what that means".

Pollock: "uh, hes still learning how to punch, he didn't know how to really effectively punch".

Defense at 26:54: "Did he ever get to the...progress to the point where he could box somebody else?"

Pollock: "Absolutely not."

Defense: "And why...you may have just answered this I apologize, but why would you not let him get to that point or why did he not get to that point?"

Pollock: "Its not a matter of me not letting him get to that point, its a matter of him simply being physically accomplished to do that. If somebody is not physically accomplished to do that, I'm not going to put them in harms way."

Defense: "Um, did he ever do any...I think your answer was the same...What was his progression then, from the .5 what did he progress to as a boxer?

Pollock: "Well, he never got off of learning how to punch, so not very far, I mean he improved his physicalness considerably where he lost a lot of weight because of the diet and the exercise, but regardless of body weight theres a matter of athleticism, and you know, you can lose all kinds of weight and still not have the athleticism to be ready to climb into the boxing ring with an opponent."


mixed martial arts training and professional level boxing skills



I didn't think my opinion on the honesty of anti-gunners could get any lower.

I was wrong.
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Kick for "Professional level boxing skills". N/t beevul May 2016 #35
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