Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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180. I have no responsibility at all

Mon May 9, 2016, 05:16 PM

May 2016

for the problems in Mexico, Columbia, and almost all of our murders. Why? I don't use any illegal drugs. Heroin and cocaine are completely banned, yet more people die from those than guns. Heroin overdoses outpaced murders last year. Since the Wright Rossi study found that gangs and criminals rarely get their guns from gun stores and never from gun shows, how am I responsible? If Gun prohibition doesn't work in Brazil, Mexico, Venezuela, what makes you think its going to work here?
As for Europe, the murder rates are actually higher now than when there were no gun laws at all. Please explain that. You can't, and you are not even going to try to.
As for Australia... BTW, New Zealand did not change their laws and have the same results.

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The claim that someone fears gun owners so much that they would flee without paying for food [View all] Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 OP

If somebody takes his AR-15 out on a dinner date, I reserve the right to run away. (nt) stone space May 2016 #1

I'd wager Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #6

Sympathy, shmympathy. I'd leave to avoid dying. Jerry442 May 2016 #17

Define "displaying." Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #28

Except that they're dangerous to the public... scscholar May 2016 #227

What do you do about the concealed carry people around you? DonP May 2016 #235

Open carry is legal here in WA... scscholar May 2016 #236

My question was what do you do about concealed carry, not open DonP May 2016 #238

Define "dangerous to the public" Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #240

You're more likely to be struck by lightning than Press Virginia May 2016 #64

Really? Buzz cook May 2016 #134

I didn't say KILLED by lightning. Press Virginia May 2016 #136

Ok then prove your claim Buzz cook May 2016 #150

You keep trying to change the argument. Press Virginia May 2016 #154

This is the post I'm responding to. Buzz cook May 2016 #160

Yes. Struck not killed. Murdered by rifle not Press Virginia May 2016 #175

So prove your point Buzz cook May 2016 #217

Open-carry demonstrators marched in Austin during the SXSW festival in 2014... Eleanors38 May 2016 #62

What if I bring my Loving Wife to a nice oneshooter May 2016 #86

Good point, all these "Dine and Dash" supporters are already eating around guns DonP May 2016 #96

such delicate flowers EdwardBernays May 2016 #2

Ditto. SusanCalvin May 2016 #41

True EdwardBernays May 2016 #45

Why not.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #46

Definitely EdwardBernays May 2016 #56

Places of business are private property. CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #60

Yep. SusanCalvin May 2016 #123

Yep. That's exactly what I'd do. Oops, not quite. SusanCalvin May 2016 #119

would you pay or leave money? Duckhunter935 May 2016 #131

Please consult my previous posts. Not to mention the post I was replying to. SusanCalvin May 2016 #132

Thanks Duckhunter935 May 2016 #133

If there was not a "no guns" sign, that's not right. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #135

Agreed Duckhunter935 May 2016 #140

Yeah, better safe than sorry. stone space May 2016 #47

Are you suggesting the victims of gun violence My Good Babushka May 2016 #3

No. That is not what I'm claiming. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #7

If they say they would leave a restaurant if guns were present My Good Babushka May 2016 #10

Do drunk drivers keep you off the streets? Because they kill more than neglient discharges. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #16

Yes, actually My Good Babushka May 2016 #18

Exactly. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #42

Yet the law has an absolute prohibition against driving drunk. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #241

Of course not, I'm not against gun ownership. My Good Babushka May 2016 #244

But someone who isn't using a car in an irresponsible manner doesn't force you to quit the roads. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #245

And I still eat in restaurants, too. nt. My Good Babushka May 2016 #246

They are doing everything in their power to keep gun nuts with guns out of communal spaces. Squinch May 2016 #4

The gun owners I know are good natured and take insults with humor. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #8

And yet, in the incident I am thinking about, there were still a lot of dumb looking man-boys Squinch May 2016 #9

No one pointed any guns at Bloomberg's astroturf group. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #13

Don't even know what you are talking about here, but you seem to be making an assertion Squinch May 2016 #15

You're making an assertion you seem unable to support. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #25

You're fighting a silly argument. The number of gun deaths in this country is nuts. Squinch May 2016 #38

No, actually he was fighting a logical argument. Straw Man May 2016 #58

There is only one goal post: gun deaths in this country are insane and unnecessary. Squinch May 2016 #61

Nice rant. Straw Man May 2016 #90

Gun deaths in America are insane and unnecessary. What are gun owners willing to do to stop them? Squinch May 2016 #113

How about ... Straw Man May 2016 #141

How about life in prison TeddyR May 2016 #146

I support that. Kang Colby May 2016 #148

"no matter how much you like your hobby." beergood May 2016 #107

Blablablablabla. Squinch May 2016 #111

very grown up Duckhunter935 May 2016 #118

thats cute my 3 yr old beergood May 2016 #196

Why don't you answer his question Duckhunter935 May 2016 #81

No, really it's not. What's uncomfortable is that you guys NEVER address the actual question: Squinch May 2016 #110

reasonable measures that actually might work Duckhunter935 May 2016 #117

The truth is hard for some to get Duckhunter935 May 2016 #80

You are seriously defending those assholes? Infantile gun nuts who, armed to the teeth, Squinch May 2016 #121

Nope, I do not care for open carry Duckhunter935 May 2016 #124

based on what evidence? gejohnston May 2016 #145

"felt the need to point a bunch of weapons at a mother's group at Starbucks" CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #19

Google is your friend. Squinch May 2016 #20

Don't be like that. CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #22

Back at ya. And nice edit from your original "don't be a pr**k." But not nice enough. Squinch May 2016 #23

Hitchens's razor sarisataka May 2016 #63

That's nice, dear. Squinch May 2016 #65

Let me simplify sarisataka May 2016 #73

That's nice, dear. Squinch May 2016 #74

Stunningly eloquent sarisataka May 2016 #76

You lost most anti's at... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #70

You give too much credit sarisataka May 2016 #77

"Yet when presented with peer reviewed data produced by the experts in the field or government Brickbat May 2016 #85

Like it or not Pakid May 2016 #5

"Guns can and do discharge when drop and have injured and kill innocent people." Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #11

Your rebuttal of "no they don't" is flatly wrong. My Good Babushka May 2016 #21

You're moving the goal posts. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #24

Problem Solved...? CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #26

And you're saying there is no danger unless a gun is explicitly dropped My Good Babushka May 2016 #27

Dropping a gun doesn't make the hammer pull back and fall forward. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #29

You're quibbling My Good Babushka May 2016 #35

"Accidental discharge" interchangeably with "negligent discharge" CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #43

All they ever do is quibble. It's all they have. Squinch May 2016 #122

"It's not a clip, it's a magazine." stone space May 2016 #144

Exactly! Not those words, but that tactic, is trotted out in every conversation with these guys. Squinch May 2016 #156

Yup. Same tactic, reguardless of the situation. stone space May 2016 #159

And you were able to put that together in about 5 minutes. It's all they ever do. Squinch May 2016 #161

I did a search of my own posts with the word "clip". stone space May 2016 #162

I could have saved myself some effort by just waiting 10 minutes. stone space May 2016 #170

Only those who know a Webley-Vickers 50.80 inside & out... Jerry442 May 2016 #198

SPOONS KILL PEOPLE! DO YOU WANT TO OUTLAW SPOONS??? Squinch May 2016 #212

Correction. Straw Man May 2016 #216

Not exactly "all we have"; we also have two decades of court, legislative and state house wins. DonP May 2016 #149

I'm expecting crickets in response, very few actually do anything Lurks Often May 2016 #152

Nah, probaby just another one putting me on ignore DonP May 2016 #155

So your problem is that I'm not doing enough to stop YOUR hobby from being responsible for Squinch May 2016 #157

Quibble? LoL! No, your efforts are just pathetic, ineffective and misdirected DonP May 2016 #165

Through your hobby, you enable and support the gun industry that is responsible for the insane and Squinch May 2016 #177

do you smoke pot? gejohnston May 2016 #178

Nope. Don't do either. Buy your post is an admission that I am correct, that you do recognize that Squinch May 2016 #179

I have no responsibility at all gejohnston May 2016 #180

You know you do. Squinch May 2016 #182

no, not at all gejohnston May 2016 #184

Suuuuuure. Your frantic justifications and attempts at distraction are all because you are Squinch May 2016 #185

I'm providing American and German jobs gejohnston May 2016 #186

Waste of electrons CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #187

Yep. It's a hobby. Squinch May 2016 #188

What gauge? gejohnston May 2016 #189

N CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #190

Love my N Gauge, wish I could afford a Z gauge set up DonP May 2016 #192

I lucked out CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #193

"Hobby", that's funny coming from you. Pathetic but funny. DonP May 2016 #191

You are enabling, financing and supporting the industry that is responsible for the fact that there Squinch May 2016 #194

Of course I am, just like you are financing wars and death in the middle east ... DonP May 2016 #197

Wow! You are working really hard not to look at the fact that I am pointing out to you! Squinch May 2016 #211

Sorry, your online Psychoanalysis permit expired last week DonP May 2016 #213

No one needs a permit to see exactly what is going on with you guys. It's plain to all but you. Squinch May 2016 #215

If you got better at your 'hobby' of posting your political views online... friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #218

At least my hobby doesn't support, fund and enable the industry that is responsible for the Squinch May 2016 #223

Another untruth. beevul May 2016 #225

No. People make bad choices everywhere. Only here, where your hobby enables, funds and Squinch May 2016 #226

Here in NoVa a number of gang members TeddyR May 2016 #228

Sorry. You're wrong. beevul May 2016 #229

Ridiculous. Your argument boils down to, "If people didn't kill people with guns there would be no Squinch May 2016 #230

No. It really doesn't. beevul May 2016 #231

Hmm...if there were no gun manufacturers, there would be no guns. jmg257 May 2016 #232

You didn't answer my question TeddyR May 2016 #234

Bad choices. Straw Man May 2016 #239

Um, no. People making bad choices are responsible for gun deaths friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #247

But guns are evil discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #248

A mechanically defective car is not the same as a reckless driver. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #242

Bend man shot by wife's gun improving Human101948 May 2016 #30

'Bend man....' CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #49

According to the article, his name is Richard Lee Cooper. stone space May 2016 #50

Humor..... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #51

That you think mocking that guy is humor really explains so very, very much. djean111 May 2016 #52

I was not mocking the guy. CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #54

I live in Florida. djean111 May 2016 #92

Upstate New York... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #158

A gun is accidentally discharged inside a Chipotle in Sandy; gun owner not cited Human101948 May 2016 #31

Gun owner not cited? CrispyQ May 2016 #57

Taurus Settlement and Drop-Safety Recall Human101948 May 2016 #32

Taurus model pistols recalled for causing fatal misfires Human101948 May 2016 #36

And I thought manufacturers were exempt from lawsuits Duckhunter935 May 2016 #82

Mississippi girl shot in face in ER when mom drops purse and gun fires Human101948 May 2016 #33

Man drops gun in movie theater, shooting self in buttocks Human101948 May 2016 #34

"during a showing of “The Bourne Legacy.” " CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #44

Tactical Response Instructor Has Negligent Discharge Into Student’s Vehicle Human101948 May 2016 #39

"by having all of the students throw their pistols to the ground." CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #48

Right on My Good Babushka May 2016 #12

This >>> Guns don't belong in the public square. CrispyQ May 2016 #55

Please see.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #14

Even the cops freak out when they see a Black man safeinOhio May 2016 #37

And this might be THE most important point in all of this. "Open Carry" is bullshit. The Squinch May 2016 #40

I'm generally against open carry in town krispos42 May 2016 #66

People who carry firearms in public are considered crazy. HassleCat May 2016 #53

You're more likely to be struck by lightning than Press Virginia May 2016 #67

Well founded HassleCat May 2016 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Press Virginia May 2016 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Press Virginia May 2016 #75

By people that hate guns... beevul May 2016 #108

"Screw with me and I'll kill you!" CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #171

I realize that. HassleCat May 2016 #195

It's an attention getting power trip that has more to do with power, ego and vanity than gun rights. procon May 2016 #59

How many OC advocates have gone on a rampage Press Virginia May 2016 #68

Why? Because nuts with guns shoot people. procon May 2016 #83

IOWs you fear something that hasn't actually happened Press Virginia May 2016 #84

Yes, and with good reason, yeah? procon May 2016 #88

You mean the people who've prepared themselves Press Virginia May 2016 #91

Why should I, or any sane person, believe that fantasy? procon May 2016 #97

Your irrational fear of holstered pistols is funny. Almost as funny as your fear Press Virginia May 2016 #99

What's the difference between an procon May 2016 #103

About to become one? do you live in fear of drivers who may be Press Virginia May 2016 #105

You keep backtracking skipping past the singular most important question. procon May 2016 #112

Where is the gun? You live in fear of what Press Virginia May 2016 #115

LOL - Your argument just ran out of gas, yeah? procon May 2016 #126

I compared your irrational hysteria to the wingers Press Virginia May 2016 #129

The fear of open carriers is a moral panic, different from the right-wing transphobic one only... friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #128

So it's moral to live in fear of something that Press Virginia May 2016 #130

Those that buy into to either one apparently think so friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #137

OC advocates aren't citing fear as the reason Press Virginia May 2016 #138

Please do not compare trans folks with deadly weapons. stone space May 2016 #142

I didn't- I compared two moral panics to each other, *not* 'people to inanimate objects' friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #143

Please do not criticise peoples posts until you can honestly respond to them. beevul May 2016 #147

And nuts with knives cut, stab and kill people. oneshooter May 2016 #87

It's not just people; you omitted 'guns'; it's people with guns. procon May 2016 #89

People with HOLSTERED guns. Press Virginia May 2016 #93

Are holsters somehow permanently welded shut? procon May 2016 #94

A holstered pistol is no threat to anyone Press Virginia May 2016 #95

Sorta like an unlit stick of dynamite isn't a risky threat, yeah? nt procon May 2016 #98

If properly stored and handled, no, it's not dangerous. Press Virginia May 2016 #100

Keyword being "properly". procon May 2016 #101

Is the gun in a holster? Then it's not a threat. Press Virginia May 2016 #102

Holsters are designed for guns to go in, and guns to come out. procon May 2016 #104

So you live in fear of the gun coming out of the holster....even though Press Virginia May 2016 #106

How do we know you don't plan on mowing people down with your car? beevul May 2016 #114

" the few thousand people across the country who can't leave home without a gun" beevul May 2016 #109

What is the guy with the holstered gun so afraid of that ... JoePhilly May 2016 #151

You assume he's afraid. Press Virginia May 2016 #153

So he's carrying it because of body weight imbalance? JoePhilly May 2016 #166

he could just be returning or going to a gun range Press Virginia May 2016 #174

His own insignificance. Squinch May 2016 #163

I was in the woods today, CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #164

"The woods" is not a Wendy's, or a Target, or an Applebees ... JoePhilly May 2016 #167

Please look for an article I am writing about CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #168

"Wendy's, or a Target, or an Applebees" CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #169

Sounds like you've never lived in a city. JoePhilly May 2016 #172

I grew up in East New York, Brooklyn CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #173

Or McDonald's sarisataka May 2016 #183

Guns scare me, and when I see them I get scared ghostsinthemachine May 2016 #78

You never know when a toddler will shoot you gwheezie May 2016 #79

Which has happened a few times in the past month alone. Squinch May 2016 #116

If customers felt they needed to display their weapons in a business, SusanCalvin May 2016 #120

as is your right Duckhunter935 May 2016 #125

Yep. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #127

Everyone has their hobbies. cheapdate May 2016 #139

Poor poor gun owners! OMG they are being antagonized and inflamed! Sorry, this is garbage. nt thereismore May 2016 #176

Well THAT was a substantive response ... Straw Man May 2016 #181

I guess that means gun owners aren't nearly the threat they' re being portrayed to be. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #200

Is commenting at DU as dangerous as dining with ammosexuals and their AR-15s? stone space May 2016 #199

You really expend absurd levels of energy to misrepresent what people say. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #201

I read your OP. It is inexplicably weird. stone space May 2016 #202

As I said previously, that is not what the OP is about and I suspect you know that. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #203

What is it about? stone space May 2016 #204

When you decide to show enough maturity to honestly deal with a subject I will address your comments Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #206

It's your OP. Talking about the dangers of posting on DU and... stone space May 2016 #207

It would be nice if you showed just Duckhunter935 May 2016 #210

When you decide to show enough maturity to honestly deal with a subject I will address your comments Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #214

I don't doubt his sincerity, what's lacking is accuracy. I'm sure he believes every word he posts... friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #219

I'm torn as to which is the more disturbing thought. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #243

You sure seem to have a sexual thing Duckhunter935 May 2016 #205

You do understand that guns are not people, don't you? stone space May 2016 #208

Yep, I also think you have Duckhunter935 May 2016 #209

You do understand that your moral panic is no different than any other, don't you? friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #220

Its very easy to be brave via the anonymity of the internet. jmg257 May 2016 #221

As I write this we are sitting in Cracker Barrel oneshooter May 2016 #222

Meal complete, just sipping coffee oneshooter May 2016 #224

I made a bet with myself: that no gun person could ever fail to have the last word... Jerry442 May 2016 #233

What an intelligent, thoughtful, and well stated oneshooter May 2016 #237