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In reply to the discussion: We Are More Afraid Than Ever of Gun Violence, But the Truth Is the Murder Rate Is at a 50-Year Low [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)31. I will give you credit for rubbing the surface,
but not quite scratching it. You didn't exactly refute anything I said.
If you subtract the twenty worst cities and gangs, our murder rate is about the same as Germany's.
I may have misspoke that it would be the same as Germany's, but it would be closer.
So that's more than half the states that have a HIGHER than national murder rate.
Yes, all of the twenty worst among those states. Some with more than one. For example, Michigan has Detroit and Flint. New Jersey has Trenton and Newark. It is the high gang cities that off set the rest of the state. Our murder rate is very localized. You used Louisiana as an example. Let's take a closer look at Louisiana.
New Orleans had a murder rate of 57.6 per 100K. In total, half of all murders in the state are in New Orleans. New Orleans is less than ten percent of the population. If NOLA were to become its own state or country, the state's murder rate would be about 4.8 per 100K.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Louisiana
Of course, New Orleans is lower now than then. It is now less than 40 per 100K.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-50-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-2015-1
Each of these states have at least one city that is a drug distribution hub and tend to have gang issues. BTW, why is North Dakota on the list?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state Given the drop over the past couple of decades, I doubt North Dakota had a spike, unless it has for the same reason Wyoming's spiked. The oil fields and fracking industries tend to send us other state's problems. Not so much the workers or the families themselves, it is the seedy "camp followers".
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We Are More Afraid Than Ever of Gun Violence, But the Truth Is the Murder Rate Is at a 50-Year Low [View all]
Kang Colby
May 2016
OP
Generally speaking, gun murders are 50% lower with many more guns in civilian circulation.
Kang Colby
May 2016
#2
No, but gun ownership would have made it more difficult...in my opinion. Lives would have been saved
Kang Colby
May 2016
#17
A few guns against the government is suicide...what lives would have been saved?
angstlessk
May 2016
#18
Tell that to the Viet Cong, Afghans, or dozens of other groups throughout history.
Kang Colby
May 2016
#22
Sadly, I'm unfamiliar with Howard Zinn. I might have to check out his books sometime.
Kang Colby
May 2016
#26
Yes, assume actions on the part of people who don't even exist, and we'll get somewhere.
beevul
May 2016
#53
"a bizarre obsession with guns" says more about you than it does anyone else. N/T
beevul
May 2016
#19
"Kinda so what?" How mediocre and unimaginative. We have big improvement, but...
Eleanors38
May 2016
#50
Respectfully, the causes of ALL crime and homicides should be studied more...
Eleanors38
May 2016
#49