Cruz’s Gun Control Deception

[aurelius2112]

56. I can appreciate conjecture........but........

(First, I'll apologize for leaving this thread open, since it was time to clock out yesterday.)
Now back to the thread for a bit.....

Although I have chuckled at your attempts to try and judge my character and genuineness, as I read the previous posts, I can ascertain, that you view everyone who is anti-gun as not sincere with their posts and full of "pretense".
Oh boy, good thing I have alot of patience to handle your stubbornness.

Point one:
Knotty problem.
As I have tried to propose many different ideas to reduce the amount of firearm deaths, you relish in tearing them down.
Yet you never propose anything yourself except the status quo.

May I ask you to look in the mirror and say the word pretentious? If you know so much more about the issue and all of the facts and figures, then what is your proposal to keep all semi-automatic guns,high caliber, open carry, etc while reducing the number of firearm deaths? (here is where you typically respond with your own question, which dodges mine)

Point two:
Solution based strategy.
Lets use your data from the FBI and DOJ (hopefully we can get CDC data in the future)
Shall we break up the deaths into the FBI categories, and start naming ideas to reduce the death ratios by category?
Shall we separate the guns into categories and list what guns are off limits and what guns should have more ownership filters?
How would you like the solution analysis to work? (another chance for you to dodge with your own question, yet there's more chances coming.......)

Point three:
Trade off?
What would you like me to trade off on? Free bullets? No ban on semi-autos?
I've been waiting for at least one objective from the pro-gun side other than the typical "hell no" to any change.
What is the pro-gun cause?
Just say no to everything?
If its just say no, then may as well vote Tea Party, so at least you will know your congressman will do nothing, when he goes to the floor.

Point four:
Gun Control Knowledge
Although I do a better job at researching, than reading bumper stickers, this group has a vast amount of knowledge concerning the gun control issue.
I have learned alot from reading your posts and also can appreciate the pro-gun points.
The more I discuss this subject, the more I understand the deep divisions within the 2 sides.
In the end, both sides are pretentious to a point, about certain specifics concerning gun control.

There are small things we can do to improve gun control but the bigger issues like economic, education and social status will bring more success to reduce the death rates.

Point five:
I never said anyone was dumb who owned a gun.
There are "intellectually challenged" people wherever you go and owning a gun is not a criteria.
Name calling only indicates that you have run out of intelligent things to say.

Point six:
You mentioned magazine limits.
Is there a scenario that would be dangerous with a larger magazine?
I'm thinking for the average American, that the answer is no.
Magazine limits usually are brought up after mass killings, but in reality it would do little to deter the mass killing in the first place.
Guess I'm back to social inequality issues to reduce the number of mass killings.


Final points? What I've learned so far......
1. Increased enforcement of current gun laws - (funding for ATF)
2. Increased mandatory training for new gun owners (to reduce the amount of accidental deaths.)
3. Mental Health Evaluation - (This is a sticky topic for sure, but would help reduce the overall deaths by stopping gun ownership for people with dementia and similar brain diseases. Not to stop someone who has depression or a less serious mental illness)
4. Add new law to force background checks at every level i.e. gun shows. (is there a reason to object to this?)
5. If both sides can agree to at least 2 or 3 points, then I know we could accomplish change in our system. (both sides are very passionate and will follow through until completed - basically 2 sides with one very LOUD voice)

That's about it for now....
Let the flagging begin