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In reply to the discussion: Can Our Society Implement a De-Escalation of Force? Part Two [View all]jimmy the one
(2,717 posts)4. well to do white man's toy
The popularly held idea that the term 'assault weapon' originated with anti-gun activists is wrong.
I thought it originally developed from circa the nazis, sturm waffen (storm weapon, aka assaulting weapon/firearm).
The popularly held idea that the term 'assault weapon' originated with anti-gun activists is wrong. The term was first adopted by manufacturers, wholesalers, importers and dealers in the American firearms industry to stimulate sales of certain firearms that did not have an appearance that was familiar to many firearms owners. The manufacturers and gun writers of the day needed a catchy name to identify this new type of gun.
Well, howsoever it evolved, somewhen it has become a political term used today to mainly define rifles with a high muzzle velocity which often have an automatic rifle equivalent in the military {AR15 to M16, AK47, 74}, and which can often be converted back from civilian semi-auto to full automatic by use of a conversion kit or sometimes a simple tool such as a file (not that many assault rifle owners do this, it would be counter productive, just that the capability exists).
What really matters are the features that make this a truly deadly weapon. Can you legislate against these features...? Semi -automatic? (one trigger pull = one bang)
Detachable magazine? No, many fine sporting rifles have detachable magazines.
Limitation on the magazine capacity, as you are well aware.
Assault weapons as defined by law: rifles and shot guns that had the above two features were considered assault weapons if they also had any two of the following: folding stocks, pistol grips, bayonet mounts, attachable grenade launchers, flash suppressors, or threaded barrels designed to accommodate a flash suppressor.
Wasn't this some sort of compromise (cough) with the gun lobby in crafting the AWB? I think to water it down. Gun lobby tactics 101, water down gun control then bash it as useless when it doesn't live up to expectations.
mother jones: In the ensuing war with the NRA, which was adamantly opposed to the assault weapons ban (even a ban severely weakened through legislative compromise), Clinton used police officers as his backup.
The legislation prohibited the manufacture, possession, transfer, and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips, yet it defined assault weapons in a manner that would allow gun manufacturers to skirt the ban without much trouble. It exempted 650 firearms and grandfathered in weapons and ammo clips produced or purchased before the enactment of the ban. "It was better to get what we got than nothing," http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/bill-clinton-assault-weapon-ban-newtown-shooting
AR-15s have become the largest selling model of firearm in the United States. 1.5 million sold in the past 5 years. Over 30 companies manufacture them. The market for AR-15s and accessories is over one-billion dollars per year.
Still only a small fraction maybe 1 to 3% americans own one (multiples per one owner), less than 3% of national gunstock is ar15; Most all gun owners would NOT want to own one, moreso & especially democrats.
I think maybe 50c per 0.223 bullet, for why squander such money at a shooting range? (golf a better way to squander money). I bought box of 250 22 caliber longs when I got a short rifle, still had most of the bullets when I got rid of gun 15 years later.
The AR-15 has been re-branded as 'America's Firearm' or the 'Gun of the Good Guys' despite it's frequent use in notorious and tragic mass shootings recently.
One of the biggest concerns with the AR15 should be that it has such low recoil for a high muzzle/high kinetic energy 0.223 bullet. There is such little rifle rise as with a heavier bullet, so the AR15 shooter does not need to compensate much at all for recoil, does not have to return the rifle to a shooting position, nor re-aim. Adam Lanza killed 26 teachers & kids, and he was a light guy. The San Bernadino recent shooting, the lady involved weighed about 100 lbs, and carried an AR15 (if report was valid), whether she shot it dunno, but the mere fact that she chose it is crystal clear was because of it's low recoil.
And I'll ask you as I did Ezra, what good are assault rifles for? what do they accomplish which another rifle or handgun couldn't do better? They are a well to do white man's toy.
I thought it originally developed from circa the nazis, sturm waffen (storm weapon, aka assaulting weapon/firearm).
The popularly held idea that the term 'assault weapon' originated with anti-gun activists is wrong. The term was first adopted by manufacturers, wholesalers, importers and dealers in the American firearms industry to stimulate sales of certain firearms that did not have an appearance that was familiar to many firearms owners. The manufacturers and gun writers of the day needed a catchy name to identify this new type of gun.
Well, howsoever it evolved, somewhen it has become a political term used today to mainly define rifles with a high muzzle velocity which often have an automatic rifle equivalent in the military {AR15 to M16, AK47, 74}, and which can often be converted back from civilian semi-auto to full automatic by use of a conversion kit or sometimes a simple tool such as a file (not that many assault rifle owners do this, it would be counter productive, just that the capability exists).
What really matters are the features that make this a truly deadly weapon. Can you legislate against these features...? Semi -automatic? (one trigger pull = one bang)
Detachable magazine? No, many fine sporting rifles have detachable magazines.
Limitation on the magazine capacity, as you are well aware.
Assault weapons as defined by law: rifles and shot guns that had the above two features were considered assault weapons if they also had any two of the following: folding stocks, pistol grips, bayonet mounts, attachable grenade launchers, flash suppressors, or threaded barrels designed to accommodate a flash suppressor.
Wasn't this some sort of compromise (cough) with the gun lobby in crafting the AWB? I think to water it down. Gun lobby tactics 101, water down gun control then bash it as useless when it doesn't live up to expectations.
mother jones: In the ensuing war with the NRA, which was adamantly opposed to the assault weapons ban (even a ban severely weakened through legislative compromise), Clinton used police officers as his backup.
The legislation prohibited the manufacture, possession, transfer, and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips, yet it defined assault weapons in a manner that would allow gun manufacturers to skirt the ban without much trouble. It exempted 650 firearms and grandfathered in weapons and ammo clips produced or purchased before the enactment of the ban. "It was better to get what we got than nothing," http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/bill-clinton-assault-weapon-ban-newtown-shooting
AR-15s have become the largest selling model of firearm in the United States. 1.5 million sold in the past 5 years. Over 30 companies manufacture them. The market for AR-15s and accessories is over one-billion dollars per year.
Still only a small fraction maybe 1 to 3% americans own one (multiples per one owner), less than 3% of national gunstock is ar15; Most all gun owners would NOT want to own one, moreso & especially democrats.
I think maybe 50c per 0.223 bullet, for why squander such money at a shooting range? (golf a better way to squander money). I bought box of 250 22 caliber longs when I got a short rifle, still had most of the bullets when I got rid of gun 15 years later.
The AR-15 has been re-branded as 'America's Firearm' or the 'Gun of the Good Guys' despite it's frequent use in notorious and tragic mass shootings recently.
One of the biggest concerns with the AR15 should be that it has such low recoil for a high muzzle/high kinetic energy 0.223 bullet. There is such little rifle rise as with a heavier bullet, so the AR15 shooter does not need to compensate much at all for recoil, does not have to return the rifle to a shooting position, nor re-aim. Adam Lanza killed 26 teachers & kids, and he was a light guy. The San Bernadino recent shooting, the lady involved weighed about 100 lbs, and carried an AR15 (if report was valid), whether she shot it dunno, but the mere fact that she chose it is crystal clear was because of it's low recoil.
And I'll ask you as I did Ezra, what good are assault rifles for? what do they accomplish which another rifle or handgun couldn't do better? They are a well to do white man's toy.
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Can Our Society Implement a De-Escalation of Force? Part Two [View all]
CompanyFirstSergeant
Apr 2016
OP
I'd LOVE to have a light-recoiling deer rifle. "Assault rifles" are "good" for infantry.
Eleanors38
Apr 2016
#5
'Technological Dunning-Kruger Effect and self-importance didn't mix too well in that post
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2016
#6