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In reply to the discussion: A well regulated militia? [View all]jmg257
(11,996 posts)41. Here's a bit, when Congress was actually discussing the article that became the 2nd amendment...
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendIIs6.html
"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed;but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms.""...
[20 Aug.]
"Mr. Scott objected to the clause in the sixth amendment, "No person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms." He observed that if this becomes part of the constitution, such persons can neither be called upon for their services, nor can an equivalent be demanded; it is also attended with still further difficulties, for a militia can never be depended upon. This would lead to the violation of another article in the constitution, which secures to the people the right of keeping arms, and in this case recourse must be had to a standing army"
The only articles 'in the constitution, which secure the right of keeping arms to the people' were the Militia clauses in Art1/Sec8 and Art2. {the clauses identify those vital entities and give them specific roles in securing our freedoms}.
Interesting, how 'bearing arms', 'keeping arms', 'the people', 'person/s', and 'the Militia' were all used together during debates in Congress.
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"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed;but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms.""...
[20 Aug.]
"Mr. Scott objected to the clause in the sixth amendment, "No person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms." He observed that if this becomes part of the constitution, such persons can neither be called upon for their services, nor can an equivalent be demanded; it is also attended with still further difficulties, for a militia can never be depended upon. This would lead to the violation of another article in the constitution, which secures to the people the right of keeping arms, and in this case recourse must be had to a standing army"
The only articles 'in the constitution, which secure the right of keeping arms to the people' were the Militia clauses in Art1/Sec8 and Art2. {the clauses identify those vital entities and give them specific roles in securing our freedoms}.
Interesting, how 'bearing arms', 'keeping arms', 'the people', 'person/s', and 'the Militia' were all used together during debates in Congress.
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Too many people misinterpret the 2nd Amendment *because* of the "well regulated militia" term...
Ghost in the Machine
Mar 2016
#17
No, your point was to try to lump all gun owners into a "militia", which is a false analogy. n/t
Ghost in the Machine
Mar 2016
#20
Here's a bit, when Congress was actually discussing the article that became the 2nd amendment...
jmg257
Mar 2016
#41
The Militia was formed from the body of the people, so yes - the people had their rights
jmg257
Mar 2016
#39
You seem to confuse the militia with the individuals who may nor may not be in it.
ManiacJoe
Mar 2016
#19
Cartoons, the last resort of a poster who has nothing original of their own to say.
Lurks Often
Mar 2016
#26
Amazing how this "art/journalism" form has remained so static in this day and age. nt
Eleanors38
Apr 2016
#44
Members of a Christian militia accused of plotting an antigovernment uprising were acquitted...
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Mar 2016
#27