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Gun-Toting Subway Customer Gets Into Open-Carry Dispute With Police (CT)
Open-carry gun laws are stirring up a fresh debate about citizens' rights in Connecticut. A cell phone video uploaded to LiveLeak on January 12, captures a Subway customer carrying a holstered pistol and several Bridgeport, Conn. cops in a heated debate over the state's open-carry law.
In the cell phone footage shot by the customer, an officer repeatedly requests to see the man's open-carry permit. "Why do I have to show you my permit? I don't have to show you my permit, right? I'm not showing you anything. I want to order my food and get up out of here," says. "Let me see your permit please," the officer responds. "Why are you requesting my permit?" the customer asks. The officer replies: "Because you're armed in a public..." to which the armed customer asks pointedly, "Is that illegal?"
Later, several more officers approach the man, one of whom asks the restaurant to refuse the man service. The man then leaves, but continues to argue with the officers. In a second video, the man appears to be followed into another shop by an officer who continues the confrontation over the permit, stating that the department has received multiple complaints from business owners in the area.
According to the Connecticut Post, state laws and police training mandates appear to contradict each other when it comes to citizens' rights to open carry. Under state law, people may open carry, so long as they're also carrying their permit. State police have been trained that they should not arrest citizens "merely for publicly carrying a handgun in plain view." However, if an individual does not produce his or her permit, officers may arrest them for interfering with police. In comparison, the law specifies that police may only request to verify permits or identification if there's "reasonable suspicion" that the gun carrier has committed a crime. Business are also permitted to refuse service to open-carry customers under state law.
http://www.eater.com/2016/1/15/10775084/open-carry-law-customer-subway-connecticut-police-dispute"Papers please" is bullshit.
How some of the very folks who hate police generally, get behind this 'papers please' bs when it comes to guns, boggles the mind.
Law enforcement MUST have a reason to ask, whether its your CC license, or your DL. They can't just go around asking for papers without a damned good reason, as it should be.
For the record, I'm not big on OC, but it doesn't really bother me either.
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