Gun Control & RKBA

Big_Mike

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46. Human nature (and my nature especially) could go that way. We rationalize

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:13 AM

Jan 2016

the things we don't agree with way too often. However, I don't think in this case that I am. It is possible, of course; I delude myself on a regular basis, particularly on my hopes for the Ram's season (and YAY, moving vans coming to St. Louis!).

I regard the percentage to be artificially low as the folks I shoot with are predominantly moderately to strongly conservative, and they won't tell pollsters anything regarding their weapons. This is what they tell me, and I believe what they say. They don't say things to shield my feelings, as most come right out and tell me that I'm wrong on just about everything except shooting. We don't talk politics, other than the classic arguments: semi-automatic vs. revolver, 9mm vs. just about all others, etc.

Take what I say with a grain of salt, please. I could be wrong. But I do not think so.

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I keep seeing the taunt, "Obama hasn't taken away your guns" being offered by people [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 OP

For them "Rhetoric > Reality" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #1

I would offer a more radical solution to the proliferation of weapons randr Jan 2016 #2

How much money does the NRA make from gun sales and how much would they lose Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #3

Since the majority of NRA Board members have economic interest in weapons factories randr Jan 2016 #4

Even without any special law... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #5

"...without explicit participation" zipplewrath Jan 2016 #7

There's no duty to spy on potential customers and we do not want one. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #8

But one cannot actively participate either zipplewrath Jan 2016 #10

How do you determine if someone is going to illegally use a gun and if it is discernible Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #11

More of a case of a continuing activity zipplewrath Jan 2016 #14

re: criminal intent purchases discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #13

Aligning data zipplewrath Jan 2016 #15

For ammo and guns... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #19

By the manufacturer? zipplewrath Jan 2016 #20

The two cases discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #21

Sales data zipplewrath Jan 2016 #23

Just some simple questions discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #27

Oh, no zipplewrath Jan 2016 #29

They should speak to the ATF about that discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #32

Big Data. So that is the fate in store for the Fifth Amendment. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #48

Why worry? The Fourth Amendment has already been nullified... Human101948 Jan 2016 #76

The WOD took out the 4th; the 5th -- any Tom, Dick or Harry with a watch List? Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #95

Bars are held accountable for accidents caused by people they have over served randr Jan 2016 #24

extreme cases zipplewrath Jan 2016 #25

I know a few bar owners who take this very seriously randr Jan 2016 #28

It's be hard not to zipplewrath Jan 2016 #30

Like car manufacturers were held accountable for injures before seat belts? randr Jan 2016 #22

??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #34

Gun manufacturers are still liable for defective products. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #6

Rather than liability resting with the manufacturers, guillaumeb Jan 2016 #31

We've been through this many times before. Insurance doesn't work the way you believe, branford Jan 2016 #35

Let us get to the point: guillaumeb Jan 2016 #37

Did you even read my whole post? branford Jan 2016 #39

You still don't understand how insurance works. ManiacJoe Jan 2016 #40

There were two posts with such very rare accidents today. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #41

You are getting there. ManiacJoe Jan 2016 #42

Might we be approaching "there"? guillaumeb Jan 2016 #43

The first step to finding a solution ManiacJoe Jan 2016 #44

another issue with insurance discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #45

Frankly, I would take that supposed 34% of US population has guns with a HUGE grain of salt Big_Mike Jan 2016 #36

Or you want that percentage to be much higher to justify your feelings guillaumeb Jan 2016 #38

Human nature (and my nature especially) could go that way. We rationalize Big_Mike Jan 2016 #46

Or you want that percentage to be much be much lower to justify your feelings as normal. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #47

It could be, just as well as the other. Big_Mike Jan 2016 #65

Your comparing two groups zipplewrath Jan 2016 #9

My post merely mentions the administration because of the claims made by advocates. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #12

And the advocates are right zipplewrath Jan 2016 #16

Your posts are all over the place. This is too tedious to care about. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #17

A failure to communicate takes two zipplewrath Jan 2016 #18

"Advocates..." Beyond a declining MSM, who are they? Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #50

In 45 years? zipplewrath Jan 2016 #53

Very reasoned and I hope true. randr Jan 2016 #26

While we're talking...... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #33

Remember, 2 - 3 generations zipplewrath Jan 2016 #49

Maybe you've been a bit sheltered discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #51

Which part of the demographics do you dispute? zipplewrath Jan 2016 #52

The issues you mention discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #55

Based upon what? zipplewrath Jan 2016 #56

I acknowledged an influx of people... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #58

Over time zipplewrath Jan 2016 #62

I would take surveys with a grain of salt discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #63

We're talking decades zipplewrath Jan 2016 #66

I think my skepticism points out the possibility... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #68

And you have evidence of this counter trend. zipplewrath Jan 2016 #71

That is about the only poll that shows a decline gejohnston Jan 2016 #64

So you have data to back this up zipplewrath Jan 2016 #67

you have a flawed survey gejohnston Jan 2016 #69

Derivative zipplewrath Jan 2016 #70

No one wants guns from law-abiding citizens. The end. nt silvershadow Jan 2016 #54

You would be very mistaken -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #57

and that's just on this site. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #59

I don't know whether to be amused or insulted that they still Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #60

And they can't image why there's push back discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #61

But, but, but ... it's just "Common Sense" DonP Jan 2016 #72

Ammosexual paranoia is not negated by my own personal support for Austrailian style arms control. stone space Jan 2016 #73

So the thing RKBA supporters say you want to do you admit you want to do. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #74

Have I ever claimed to be pro-Tiger Attack Helicpopter? stone space Jan 2016 #75

Why do you want to use an attack helicopter on people? DonP Jan 2016 #77

Reading is Fundamental. stone space Jan 2016 #78

You brought up using an attack helicopter DonP Jan 2016 #82

Aparently, you haven't watched the video. (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #83

Why are you fixated on death spewers like an attack helicopter? DonP Jan 2016 #84

You are behaving strangely, now. stone space Jan 2016 #85

Good news, I read that Iowa is allowing carry on campus DonP Jan 2016 #86

That's creepy. stone space Jan 2016 #87

Ah, the family album DonP Jan 2016 #90

My father died when I was a child, and my brother died many years ago. stone space Jan 2016 #93

Oh, so you want to attack others... beevul Jan 2016 #96

Whose brother did I attack? Whose father? What did my dead father and brother do to you? stone space Jan 2016 #97

Did someone say you did? beevul Jan 2016 #99

I was responding to your comment. Why should I take it up with others. stone space Jan 2016 #100

Which comment, cite please. N/T beevul Jan 2016 #101

Your results. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #94

good technique. beergood Jan 2016 #108

If such nonsense is all you have left. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #79

Does this mean that you have no answer? stone space Jan 2016 #80

You offered a lame straw man about helicopters I gave it the attention it merited. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #81

Another thread-jacking of no relevance whatever discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #88

At least they're consistent. beevul Jan 2016 #89

Meh, that's nothing, GGJohn Jan 2016 #91

Militant Pacifists have disarmed more fearsome weapons than that. Never underestimate Nonviolence. stone space Jan 2016 #92

Lets test that... beevul Jan 2016 #98

What is the lesson? stone space Jan 2016 #102

That militant pacifism is useless... beevul Jan 2016 #103

You haven't demonstrated your point. (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #104

He has, you simply didn't get it: Militant pacifism only works against those with a conscience friendly_iconoclast Jan 2016 #105

I read an article once that pointed that out graphically DonP Jan 2016 #107

That merely indicates that the point can be easily demonstrated... beevul Jan 2016 #106