Gun Control & RKBA

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts) Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:03 AM Jan 2016

I keep seeing the taunt, "Obama hasn't taken away your guns" being offered by people [View all]

who continually laud "Melt them down" threads and/or cite Australian/UK gun control models as the way forward for American gun control laws.

In other words, they want guns taken away but then semi-triumphantly claim that no one has taken guns away.

Considering the President's recent EA actually liberalizes access to weapons regulated by the NFA I would be inclined to think those offering the taunt would be upset with the President rather than using his actions as a basis for a taunt.

Can anyone offer an explanation for this seeming inconsistency?

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I keep seeing the taunt, "Obama hasn't taken away your guns" being offered by people [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 OP

For them "Rhetoric > Reality" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #1

I would offer a more radical solution to the proliferation of weapons randr Jan 2016 #2

How much money does the NRA make from gun sales and how much would they lose Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #3

Since the majority of NRA Board members have economic interest in weapons factories randr Jan 2016 #4

Even without any special law... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #5

"...without explicit participation" zipplewrath Jan 2016 #7

There's no duty to spy on potential customers and we do not want one. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #8

But one cannot actively participate either zipplewrath Jan 2016 #10

How do you determine if someone is going to illegally use a gun and if it is discernible Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #11

More of a case of a continuing activity zipplewrath Jan 2016 #14

re: criminal intent purchases discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #13

Aligning data zipplewrath Jan 2016 #15

For ammo and guns... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #19

By the manufacturer? zipplewrath Jan 2016 #20

The two cases discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #21

Sales data zipplewrath Jan 2016 #23

Just some simple questions discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #27

Oh, no zipplewrath Jan 2016 #29

They should speak to the ATF about that discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #32

Big Data. So that is the fate in store for the Fifth Amendment. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #48

Why worry? The Fourth Amendment has already been nullified... Human101948 Jan 2016 #76

The WOD took out the 4th; the 5th -- any Tom, Dick or Harry with a watch List? Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #95

Bars are held accountable for accidents caused by people they have over served randr Jan 2016 #24

extreme cases zipplewrath Jan 2016 #25

I know a few bar owners who take this very seriously randr Jan 2016 #28

It's be hard not to zipplewrath Jan 2016 #30

Like car manufacturers were held accountable for injures before seat belts? randr Jan 2016 #22

??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #34

Gun manufacturers are still liable for defective products. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #6

Rather than liability resting with the manufacturers, guillaumeb Jan 2016 #31

We've been through this many times before. Insurance doesn't work the way you believe, branford Jan 2016 #35

Let us get to the point: guillaumeb Jan 2016 #37

Did you even read my whole post? branford Jan 2016 #39

You still don't understand how insurance works. ManiacJoe Jan 2016 #40

There were two posts with such very rare accidents today. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #41

You are getting there. ManiacJoe Jan 2016 #42

Might we be approaching "there"? guillaumeb Jan 2016 #43

The first step to finding a solution ManiacJoe Jan 2016 #44

another issue with insurance discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #45

Frankly, I would take that supposed 34% of US population has guns with a HUGE grain of salt Big_Mike Jan 2016 #36

Or you want that percentage to be much higher to justify your feelings guillaumeb Jan 2016 #38

Human nature (and my nature especially) could go that way. We rationalize Big_Mike Jan 2016 #46

Or you want that percentage to be much be much lower to justify your feelings as normal. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #47

It could be, just as well as the other. Big_Mike Jan 2016 #65

Your comparing two groups zipplewrath Jan 2016 #9

My post merely mentions the administration because of the claims made by advocates. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #12

And the advocates are right zipplewrath Jan 2016 #16

Your posts are all over the place. This is too tedious to care about. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #17

A failure to communicate takes two zipplewrath Jan 2016 #18

"Advocates..." Beyond a declining MSM, who are they? Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #50

In 45 years? zipplewrath Jan 2016 #53

Very reasoned and I hope true. randr Jan 2016 #26

While we're talking...... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #33

Remember, 2 - 3 generations zipplewrath Jan 2016 #49

Maybe you've been a bit sheltered discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #51

Which part of the demographics do you dispute? zipplewrath Jan 2016 #52

The issues you mention discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #55

Based upon what? zipplewrath Jan 2016 #56

I acknowledged an influx of people... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #58

Over time zipplewrath Jan 2016 #62

I would take surveys with a grain of salt discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #63

We're talking decades zipplewrath Jan 2016 #66

I think my skepticism points out the possibility... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #68

And you have evidence of this counter trend. zipplewrath Jan 2016 #71

That is about the only poll that shows a decline gejohnston Jan 2016 #64

So you have data to back this up zipplewrath Jan 2016 #67

you have a flawed survey gejohnston Jan 2016 #69

Derivative zipplewrath Jan 2016 #70

No one wants guns from law-abiding citizens. The end. nt silvershadow Jan 2016 #54

You would be very mistaken -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #57

and that's just on this site. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #59

I don't know whether to be amused or insulted that they still Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #60

And they can't image why there's push back discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #61

But, but, but ... it's just "Common Sense" DonP Jan 2016 #72

Ammosexual paranoia is not negated by my own personal support for Austrailian style arms control. stone space Jan 2016 #73

So the thing RKBA supporters say you want to do you admit you want to do. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #74

Have I ever claimed to be pro-Tiger Attack Helicpopter? stone space Jan 2016 #75

Why do you want to use an attack helicopter on people? DonP Jan 2016 #77

Reading is Fundamental. stone space Jan 2016 #78

You brought up using an attack helicopter DonP Jan 2016 #82

Aparently, you haven't watched the video. (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #83

Why are you fixated on death spewers like an attack helicopter? DonP Jan 2016 #84

You are behaving strangely, now. stone space Jan 2016 #85

Good news, I read that Iowa is allowing carry on campus DonP Jan 2016 #86

That's creepy. stone space Jan 2016 #87

Ah, the family album DonP Jan 2016 #90

My father died when I was a child, and my brother died many years ago. stone space Jan 2016 #93

Oh, so you want to attack others... beevul Jan 2016 #96

Whose brother did I attack? Whose father? What did my dead father and brother do to you? stone space Jan 2016 #97

Did someone say you did? beevul Jan 2016 #99

I was responding to your comment. Why should I take it up with others. stone space Jan 2016 #100

Which comment, cite please. N/T beevul Jan 2016 #101

Your results. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #94

good technique. beergood Jan 2016 #108

If such nonsense is all you have left. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #79

Does this mean that you have no answer? stone space Jan 2016 #80

You offered a lame straw man about helicopters I gave it the attention it merited. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #81

Another thread-jacking of no relevance whatever discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #88

At least they're consistent. beevul Jan 2016 #89

Meh, that's nothing, GGJohn Jan 2016 #91

Militant Pacifists have disarmed more fearsome weapons than that. Never underestimate Nonviolence. stone space Jan 2016 #92

Lets test that... beevul Jan 2016 #98

What is the lesson? stone space Jan 2016 #102

That militant pacifism is useless... beevul Jan 2016 #103

You haven't demonstrated your point. (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #104

He has, you simply didn't get it: Militant pacifism only works against those with a conscience friendly_iconoclast Jan 2016 #105

I read an article once that pointed that out graphically DonP Jan 2016 #107

That merely indicates that the point can be easily demonstrated... beevul Jan 2016 #106