Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

97. I don't think so

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:21 PM

Jan 2016

machine guns are completely banned in UK, Australia, and probably all of Europe, yet they have more crimes with machine guns than we do. In fact, bikie gangs make their own Lutzes and Stens. While Canada registered and licence handguns since 1934, machine guns didn't have to be registered until 1952 until they were banned in 1977. Was there more machine gun crime before 1952?
I guess banning them does the opposite, kind of like pot and heroin.
Australian biker gangs make their own and do drive bys with them.
Outside of the mob, the spree of machine gun crimes during the Dillinger era were with Thompsons and BARs stolen from police and NG armories. Dillinger stole his from a PD in Indiana.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2014/03/06/gun-stolen-by-dillinger-gang-coming-back-to-indiana-police/6113647/
Bonnie and Clyde had BARs. They didn't buy them at Gander Mountain.
One of the Thompsons used at the St Valentines Day massacre was used in several mob hits as far away as Detroit. The mob ran the black market.
Before NFA, there wasn't a market for machine guns for most people. What really happened was increased security in national guard armories and police armories. The roving bank robber was a short period of people taking advantage of our federal system, until bank robbery became a federal crime.

While I don't support repealing the NFA, your argument is post hoc ergo propter hoc. You use the same flimsy evidence to support your argument.

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What if instead of a gun-owner-registry, there were a national gun-registry? [View all] DetlefK Jan 2016 OP

NO. GGJohn Jan 2016 #1

Why? DetlefK Jan 2016 #3

I stated my reasons, GGJohn Jan 2016 #5

I would say they have both. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #16

And I would disagree, as does the ACLU. GGJohn Jan 2016 #18

Where do you get your info? safeinOhio Jan 2016 #19

The ACLU opposes registration. GGJohn Jan 2016 #20

Imagine that... beevul Jan 2016 #26

I notice that quieted him down. eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #33

I've got other stuff to do. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #58

From the ACLU safeinOhio Jan 2016 #59

I don't know about deseretnews safeinOhio Jan 2016 #38

The ACLU has long opposed registration due to privacy rights. eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #42

Not quite safeinOhio Jan 2016 #44

by the way safeinOhio Jan 2016 #45

You assume far too much. GGJohn Jan 2016 #88

How about ABC News? Straw Man Jan 2016 #61

The ACLU still safeinOhio Jan 2016 #84

You keep clinging to that. DonP Jan 2016 #86

Which has squat to do with them opposing registration due to privacy concerns. eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #87

Right. Straw Man Jan 2016 #91

Yep and if safeinOhio Jan 2016 #92

respecting their opinion on one thing gejohnston Jan 2016 #93

That is a stretch as safeinOhio Jan 2016 #94

no, gejohnston Jan 2016 #95

I think I have safeinOhio Jan 2016 #96

I don't think so gejohnston Jan 2016 #97

Comparing UK and Australia to safeinOhio Jan 2016 #98

Comparisons. Straw Man Jan 2016 #99

I'd call it safeinOhio Jan 2016 #101

Is it still a false equivalence when the gejohnston Jan 2016 #104

Oh, give 'em a little time. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #107

Odd....sounds like a gun owner registry. ileus Jan 2016 #2

Yeah, my wording there was bad. DetlefK Jan 2016 #4

really ? DustyJoe Jan 2016 #6

Well, what happened to your guns? DetlefK Jan 2016 #102

Don't We Do Something Like That For Cars?..... global1 Jan 2016 #7

that is true only if you drive it on public roads gejohnston Jan 2016 #8

How Do You Get Your Car From The Dealer To Your Private Property?..... global1 Jan 2016 #9

tow truck gejohnston Jan 2016 #11

Could you point out where in the Constitution safeinOhio Jan 2016 #17

I never said it wasn't constitutional gejohnston Jan 2016 #22

OK I can buy that. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #35

the infrastructure has to paid for gejohnston Jan 2016 #39

that might be one way to look at it safeinOhio Jan 2016 #43

That is a uniquely US definition gejohnston Jan 2016 #47

works with machine guns safeinOhio Jan 2016 #56

No it doesn't gejohnston Jan 2016 #60

Liberalism is associated with a belief in high Individual liberty. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #89

I think Canada Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #80

Car hauler, same way I get my Jeep to the trail. ileus Jan 2016 #13

In Florida, they're called "grove trucks," Texas, "ranch rockets.".... Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #108

Cars aren't a right....also you're not right. ileus Jan 2016 #12

Just Saying... some municipalities restrict the number nykym Jan 2016 #52

That is generally the case for urban and suburban areas... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #53

I am neither nykym Jan 2016 #54

My town has similar rules discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #67

We have the same rule here in Rural Va. ileus Jan 2016 #55

In the spirit of compromise sarisataka Jan 2016 #10

THIS is a worthy idea, one backed here for years. ^^^ Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #109

No. beevul Jan 2016 #14

You saying I can keep my house without safeinOhio Jan 2016 #21

If you want to invite the TSA into your home, feel free. beevul Jan 2016 #24

TSA will not ask to... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #27

Is your bag private property? safeinOhio Jan 2016 #31

As a matter of fact it is... beevul Jan 2016 #37

Not at all safeinOhio Jan 2016 #40

And you enjoy your TSA. beevul Jan 2016 #48

Paying taxes does not allow a search of your home. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #81

My response was to a comment about property rights and search rights. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #82

That's because all land is purchased in a legal deed concept called "Fee Simple". NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #83

I agree on the 4th however safeinOhio Jan 2016 #85

Did you not read the defintiion of Fee Simple? NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #90

Are you aware that felons cannot be legally required to register their guns? hack89 Jan 2016 #15

Seems a universal background check on purchase safeinOhio Jan 2016 #23

That's already been done gejohnston Jan 2016 #25

Not even in the US those examples safeinOhio Jan 2016 #28

they were rare before NFA gejohnston Jan 2016 #41

"Full autos are more common in" Hollywood! Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #110

Do you really think those engaged in illegal gun trafficking care? nt hack89 Jan 2016 #29

Apparently they do when safeinOhio Jan 2016 #34

There are over 300 million unregistered guns in America hack89 Jan 2016 #36

Sure are a lot of folks driving faster than the safeinOhio Jan 2016 #57

But acts of gun violence are exceedingly rare compared to the number guns and gun owners hack89 Jan 2016 #62

You don't think gangs safeinOhio Jan 2016 #64

Central America and Mexico are awash with automatic weapons hack89 Jan 2016 #65

Those same cartels and drug gangs safeinOhio Jan 2016 #66

So the Feds ignore heroin, cocaine and meth but will come down hard because of automatic weapons? hack89 Jan 2016 #68

Why can't the Feds come down hard on the cartels and drug gangs using semi-automatic weapons? hack89 Jan 2016 #69

Most of the crime here are state crimes safeinOhio Jan 2016 #70

Every major city has SWAT teams with automatic weapons hack89 Jan 2016 #71

Every city swat team safeinOhio Jan 2016 #73

Hold on a second hack89 Jan 2016 #74

City cops are not all that trained. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #75

Questions? HockeyMom Jan 2016 #30

There are a bunch of safeinOhio Jan 2016 #32

Under the Gun Control Act, gejohnston Jan 2016 #46

Or mentally impaired HockeyMom Jan 2016 #50

how mentally impaired? gejohnston Jan 2016 #51

That depends on the state you live in HockeyMom Jan 2016 #63

The Gun Control Act defines it as gejohnston Jan 2016 #72

Yes, Adjudicated is the key HockeyMom Jan 2016 #78

I don't know anything about Lanza gejohnston Jan 2016 #79

A question about NYS law. Straw Man Jan 2016 #100

You are mistaken, autism is NOT a mental illness Lurks Often Jan 2016 #103

I was not talking about Autism HockeyMom Jan 2016 #105

My post was in response to your comments regarding Adam Lanza & Nancy Lanza ONLY Lurks Often Jan 2016 #106

Here is a list from the FBI discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #76

If the law changes after you register the firearm then they know where to go to get them bolus Jan 2016 #49

I have no problem with them registering guns or gun owners. They should doc03 Jan 2016 #77